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Who's the better producer to you??
RZA 30 56.60%
HAVOC 23 43.40%
Voters: 53. Sorry, you cannot vote on this poll (Boxden members only)

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 04-12-2008, 06:49 PM         #101
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 SHootar said:
personally i think shook ones II as a beat, smashes on triumph....and its not close. triumph lyrically obv is insane.


this is how i break it down....

-havocs TOP beats >>>> rza's
-havocs average beat >>>> rza's (pretending u scored EVERY beat each producer ever made)
-rza's OBV got more quantity of good beats
-rza produced more classics (which should be irrelvant cuz havocs would have been just as classic if say nas was spitting on them, or even wu)
rza's versatility >>>> havocs
Triumph imo is the best beat ever. RZA's best beats smash Havoc's. fu*k it, we're never going to agree.
 04-12-2008, 06:51 PM         #102
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 SHootar said:



take the L
Na. GZA is top 3 lyrically, IMO. Ain't no L's. Lemme see Dre hold down an entire album, and we will talk.
 10 years ago '04        #103
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man, i like both these dudes but i gotta go with rza.
 04-12-2008, 07:20 PM         #104
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Rza - Fatal >>>> Triumph
 04-12-2008, 07:31 PM         #105
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havoc can make a track now and it still be relevant
rza it da sh*t!!!!! but its not the same feeling as in the 90s
 10 years ago '07        #106
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 KrayLay said:
Ok. I won't take you seriously anymore.
why not dat beat is harder than triumph
 10 years ago '07        #107
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both have their classics but overall i dont really like either one
 04-12-2008, 08:46 PM         #108
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 jj01 said:
deck has some great verses yes, but he makes weak albums masta has the better albums imo.


Uncontrolled Substance is a classic. The Movement is a 4 * star album. I dont call that weak? US holds it up there with the greats without the heavy influence of RZA. Thats saying something.
 04-13-2008, 10:25 AM         #109
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 Andre3000 said:
Pardon me I had to laugh at that.
of course you would laugh you idolize 3000 so much you took his name :rolleyes:
 04-13-2008, 10:27 AM         #110
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 jj01 said:
quality>>>>quantity


meth didnt cross over to commercial side long ago
he never went as far as HEY YA. does it get any more commerial then Hey YA?
maybe lollipop and candyshop but nothing Meth made is as commercial as Hey YA. 3000 was dressed like a 1970's whiteman. how is that not commercial Big Bi does songs with Kahlid now ..bad look for any great MC
 04-13-2008, 10:29 AM         #111
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 timdog said:
wu fell off after forever
then how can you explain Iron Flag sh*ttin on any Mobb album after Hell on Earth
 04-13-2008, 10:33 AM         #112
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 jj01 said:
in your eyes you could find a silver lining in all 150+ wu affiliated albums


masta k!lla's albums whats the problem?
who said it was a problem? I mean I just said he's not the 2nd best which evryone who listens to wu knows that

thats the dumbest sh*t you said so far, just because INS>>>MK don't mean MK album sux it just means he ain't on INS level.
 04-13-2008, 10:35 AM         #113
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 SHootar said:
LOl

the problem here is we have a bunch of WU d*ckryders


its well known that outside of ghostface...and the solo debut of rae and gza...the wu FLOPPED on the solo careers. ghost is the only one still bangin out nice albums. i just realized dude has wu in his avy of course hes biased.
d*ckriders when I only have 1 wu member in my top 10 artist

I guess it's safe to say you're all over Nas d*ck callin him the GOAT :sick:

so you're tellin me tey flopped how? by quality
GZA has 3 dope a.ss albums
Meth has 2
Rae 1
RZA 1
INS 2
MK 2
GFK 4-5

even if you disagree
outkast has 0 solo albums. how come? why?why do you think the only time they made a "solo" album it was a double disc and Andre thought he was white


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 10 years ago '07        #114
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 widow maker said:
then how can you explain Iron Flag sh*ttin on any Mobb album after Hell on Earth
Iron Flag was garbage uzi pinky ring I wont even go further in reviewin that album


Hell On Earth>Iron Flag
 04-13-2008, 10:42 AM         #115
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 timdog said:
Iron Flag was garbage uzi pinky ring I wont even go further in reviewin that album


Hell On Earth>Iron Flag
no sh*t I already said Iron Flag sh*ts on all MObbs albums AFTER hell on earth.can you read? Iron Flag>>>The Infamy ,Blood Money,Free Agents,Murda Musik

dude heard 1 song and dismissed the album


atleast WU don't have to get G-Unit TATTOOS to stay relevant. Mobb lost
 10 years ago '06        #116
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 widow maker said:
d*ckriders when I only have 1 wu member in my top 10 artist

I guess it's safe to say you're all over Nas d*ck callin him the GOAT :sick:

so you're tellin me tey flopped how? by quality
GZA has 3 dope a.ss albums
Meth has 2
Rae 1
RZA 1
INS 2
MK 2
GFK 4-5

even if you disagree
outkast has 0 solo albums. how come? why?why do you think the only time they made a "solo" album it was a double disc and Andre thought he was white
are u retarded?? what dont u understand about leave outkast and WU outta this thread, thats not what its about, so stop it.

and please ur overatin wu haarrrrd. everyone knows outside of ghost wu fell the fu*k off since the 90s and their solo careers have flopped for the most part. gza does not have 3 dope albums lol stop it. ur clearly a big wu fan and u are biased sorry bud. i love wu, but i dont d*ckryde em and can rationally evaluate their work.

what does nas have to do with this thread?? he would clown the fu*k out of anyone in wu regardless, this isnt really up for debate. if u want to make a nas vs 'any member of wu' thread go ahead and see what non wu-d*ckryders think. u'll be embarrased.
 10 years ago '07        #117
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 widow maker said:
no sh*t I already said Iron Flag sh*ts on all MObbs albums AFTER hell on earth.can you read? Iron Flag>>>The Infamy ,Blood Money,Free Agents,Murda Musik

dude heard 1 song and dismissed the album


atleast WU don't have to get G-Unit TATTOOS to stay relevant. Mobb lost
infamy>iron flag

i own iron flag:thumbsdow:banghead:

ill admit after infamy mobb fell off

da wu aint been relevent in forever
 10 years ago '06        #118
SHootar 48 heat pts48 OP
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 widow maker said:
no sh*t I already said Iron Flag sh*ts on all MObbs albums AFTER hell on earth.can you read? Iron Flag>>>The Infamy ,Blood Money,Free Agents,Murda Musik

dude heard 1 song and dismissed the album


atleast WU don't have to get G-Unit TATTOOS to stay relevant. Mobb lost
murda muzik sh*tS on iron flag sorry
 10 years ago '06        #119
SHootar 48 heat pts48 OP
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 timdog said:
infamy>iron flag

i own iron flag:thumbsdow:banghead:

ill admit after infamy mobb fell off

da wu aint been relevent in forever
amerikaz nightmare is actually a very good album and imo easily is >>>> than infamy
 04-13-2008, 10:56 AM         #120
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 SHootar said:
are u retarded?? what dont u understand about leave outkast and WU outta this thread, thats not what its about, so stop it.

and please ur overatin wu haarrrrd. everyone knows outside of ghost wu fell the fu*k off since the 90s and their solo careers have flopped for the most part. gza does not have 3 dope albums lol stop it. ur clearly a big wu fan and u are biased sorry bud. i love wu, but i dont d*ckryde em and can rationally evaluate their work.

what does nas have to do with this thread?? he would clown the fu*k out of anyone in wu regardless, this isnt really up for debate. if u want to make a nas vs 'any member of wu' thread go ahead and see what non wu-d*ckryders think. u'll be embarrased.

i'm not your "bud" and Nas was brought up cause you called me a d*ckrider when it's clear that you got his testicles in your mouth. of course he's better then every wu member BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS.

I'm new to this site so maybe you think I d*ckridin wu. but if a thread was made Dre vs RZa or Premo vs RZa I wouldn't take RZA. i call it like I see. like if a thread was made about my fav rapper (Masta Ace) i would in no way shape or form call him the GOAT.


outkast isn't part of the thread but who the fu*k are you to tell anyone to stop anything? n*gga you're a nobody play your positon.
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