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Who's the better producer to you??
RZA 30 56.60%
HAVOC 23 43.40%
Voters: 53. Sorry, you cannot vote on this poll (Boxden members only)

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 04-12-2008, 04:26 PM         #61
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 SHootar said:
but you can have immaculate production with no classic album...lyracism is half the battle...


hence its not fair to compare classics. obviously the wu including solo albums got tons
of course. i agree but when discussing how gret a producer is it's impossible to not mention his classic albums.

of course when an album is a full body of work and is harder to make classic it still counts.

it's not RZA's fault Havoc only does albums with Prodigy. it's not against the law to make albums with great rappers


Last edited by widow maker; 04-12-2008 at 04:31 PM..
 10 years ago '06        #62
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 widow maker said:
yeah I edited that. they should atleast prove they can carry an album without bullsh*t like HEY YA

2 wu members hve classics

Liquid Swords
OB4QL
supreme clentele

Arguably
Beneath the Surface
Iron Man

does outkst even have 3 classics with 2 arguable classics

spcm
aquemeni
atliens

arguable





Wu as a group has better albums then Outkast and you don't think that wu-solo albums make them even stronger artist if outkast could drop solo albums and they wre strong don't you think they'd get more respect ?

they ca destroy U-god but can they fu*k with GZA,GFK,Rae,Meth and Deck? 3000 can but Big Boi ..HELL NO
bro lets end the outkast vs wu debate....make another thread. cuz LOTS of ppl would choose outkast lyrically over wu EASILY. if beats didnt count, 3 stakcs and big boi would fu*k wu 3 times b4 they knew what was up. but again...save that for another day. we're talkin rza beats vs havocs


i truly think havoc for sure produced the more gutter beats...hood classics. darkest beats. and it really painted pictures of life in queens...it matched the lyrics perfectly. listening to those beats u felt u were in the grimiest hood...not sayin rza's werent dark and hard either, but i think havocs were harder. doesnt mean better...just darker/harder. but then rza could make beats havoc never did or could so...goes both ways. rza had more versatility
 10 years ago '06        #63
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 widow maker said:
yeah I edited that. they should atleast prove they can carry an album without bullsh*t like HEY YA

2 wu members hve classics

Liquid Swords
OB4QL
supreme clentele

Arguably
Beneath the Surface
Iron Man

does outkst even have 3 classics with 2 arguable classics

spcm
aquemeni
atliens

arguable





Wu as a group has better albums then Outkast and you don't think that wu-solo albums make them even stronger artist if outkast could drop solo albums and they wre strong don't you think they'd get more respect ?

they ca destroy U-god but can they fu*k with GZA,GFK,Rae,Meth and Deck? 3000 can but Big Boi ..HELL NO
ghost is overrated to me and i dont consider any of his albums classics. u right about the other 2 tho, gza being the best has 1 maybe to under his belt.

aquemini and atliens are undeniable, they top 10- 20 easy and the other 2 are at least 4 mics. i'm saying the drop off isnt as great with kast as it has been with wu, the albums they put out recently have been

that might be a good poll to make, which is the better set of albums (forever/36 vs. aquemini/atliens). wu gets props for their good solo albums, but imo you could count the really good ones on your fingers, they have soooo many that are forgettable imo. wu does have better solo's no doubt, but they also have more bullsh*t material.

peep the kast/rae joints and tell me rae didnt get served each time by both. really tho i think the only 1 fu*kin with 3000 would be gza and maybe masta. even big boi would give it to all but about 3-4 of the clan
 04-12-2008, 04:41 PM         #64
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 jj01 said:
outkast is arguably better than wu

but as you said thats another thread
why would they need to both put out classics? every wu member doesnt have a classic, only about 2 actually do. plus as a group they have more classics than wu does. you're also only as good as your weakest link, and dre and 3000 can both rap circles around u god.

Are you really comparing a duo to a group's 9th best rapper?:rolleyes:
 04-12-2008, 04:44 PM         #65
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 widow maker said:
yeah I edited that. they should atleast prove they can carry an album without bullsh*t like HEY YA

2 wu members hve classics

Liquid Swords
OB4QL
supreme clentele

Arguably
Beneath the Surface
Iron Man

does outkst even have 3 classics with 2 arguable classics

spcm
aquemeni
atliens

arguable





Wu as a group has better albums then Outkast and you don't think that wu-solo albums make them even stronger artist if outkast could drop solo albums and they wre strong don't you think they'd get more respect ?

they ca destroy U-god but can they fu*k with GZA,GFK,Rae,Meth and Deck? 3000 can but Big Boi ..HELL NO
Tical is classic, too.
 04-12-2008, 04:45 PM         #66
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 jj01 said:
ghost is overrated to me and i dont consider any of his albums classics. u right about the other 2 tho, gza being the best has 1 maybe to under his belt.

aquemini and atliens are undeniable, they top 10- 20 easy and the other 2 are at least 4 mics. i'm saying the drop off isnt as great with kast as it has been with wu, the albums they put out recently have been

that might be a good poll to make, which is the better set of albums (forever/36 vs. aquemini/atliens). wu gets props for their good solo albums, but imo you could count the really good ones on your fingers, they have soooo many that are forgettable imo. wu does have better solo's no doubt, but they also have more bullsh*t material.

peep the kast/rae joints and tell me rae didnt get served each time by both. really tho i think the only 1 fu*kin with 3000 would be gza and maybe masta. even big boi would give it to all but about 3-4 of the clan
Supreme Clientele is not classic?
 10 years ago '06        #67
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 KrayLay said:
Are you really comparing a duo to a group's 9th best rapper?:rolleyes:


no it was in the context of what was said earlier.
 04-12-2008, 04:46 PM         #68
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 SHootar said:
bro lets end the outkast vs wu debate....make another thread. cuz LOTS of ppl would choose outkast lyrically over wu EASILY. if beats didnt count, 3 stakcs and big boi would fu*k wu 3 times b4 they knew what was up. but again...save that for another day. we're talkin rza beats vs havocs


i truly think havoc for sure produced the more gutter beats...hood classics. darkest beats. and it really painted pictures of life in queens...it matched the lyrics perfectly. listening to those beats u felt u were in the grimiest hood...not sayin rza's werent dark and hard either, but i think havocs were harder. doesnt mean better...just darker/harder. but then rza could make beats havoc never did or could so...goes both ways. rza had more versatility
GZA> Dre lyrically. Ghost> Big Bou lyrically.
 10 years ago '06        #69
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 KrayLay said:
Supreme Clientele is not classic?


not in my opinion
 04-12-2008, 04:48 PM         #70
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sh*t if k!llah priest was in the wu instead of u god...
 04-12-2008, 04:48 PM         #71
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 jj01 said:
not in my opinion
Why not?
 04-12-2008, 04:51 PM         #72
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ghost is overrated to me and i dont consider any of his albums classics. u right about the other 2 tho, gza being the best has 1 maybe to under his belt.

aquemini and atliens are undeniable, they top 10- 20 easy and the other 2 are at least 4 mics. i'm saying the drop off isnt as great with kast as it has been with wu, the albums they put out recently have been

that might be a good poll to make, which is the better set of albums (forever/36 vs. aquemini/atliens). wu gets props for their good solo albums, but imo you could count the really good ones on your fingers, they have soooo many that are forgettable imo. wu does have better solo's no doubt, but they also have more bullsh*t material.

peep the kast/rae joints and tell me rae didnt get served each time by both. really tho i think the only 1 fu*kin with 3000 would be gza and maybe masta. even big boi would give it to all but about 3-4 of the clan

outkast haven't droppin as far as wu ? wow Idlewild and Hey Ya prove you wrong. Wu made 1 bad album (8 Diagrams) the rest are

you really can't believe Masta is better then Inspectah Deck. do you listen to wu?
GFK overratedmost consistent discography in hiphop
GZA is better then 3000 in so many ways creativity,flow,delivery and originality. like you said 4-5 of wu member would serve big boi. big boi sux did you hear him on the I'm so hood remix :thumbsdow
 10 years ago '06        #73
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 KrayLay said:
Why not?

not a huge fan of the production like most are, and lyically he has never been all that great to me. he did step it up a bit, but not worthy of classic
 04-12-2008, 04:54 PM         #74
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 jj01 said:
no it was in the context of what was said earlier.
yes you did you said Wu is only as strong as the weaest link U God
wu is way stronger then U-god. IN FACT wu is stronger then their strongest link. ain't no member in wu above the clan. andre 3000 makes outast what it s. big boi couldn't fu*k with Meth
 04-12-2008, 04:55 PM         #75
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 jj01 said:
not a huge fan of the production like most are, and lyically he has never been all that great to me. he did step it up a bit, but not worthy of classic
The soul sampling on that >

And ghost is amazing lyrically. his imagery>
 04-12-2008, 04:56 PM         #76
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you think masta is the second best? stop....
 10 years ago '06        #77
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 widow maker said:
outkast haven't droppin as far as wu ? wow Idlewild and Hey Ya prove you wrong. Wu made 1 bad album (8 Diagrams) the rest are

you really can't believe Masta is better then Inspectah Deck. do you listen to wu?
GFK overratedmost consistent discography in hiphop
GZA is better then 3000 in so many ways creativity,flow,delivery and originality. like you said 4-5 of wu member would serve big boi. big boi sux did you hear him on the I'm so hood remix :thumbsdow

that was a soundtrack, considering the setting of the movie i thought it was dope for what it was, and it did have a few gems on there. if you're saying something about hey ya being on the sell out and commercial side, meth crossed that line years ago makin songs with limp bizkit and sh*t:thumbsdow

deck has some great verses yes, but he makes weak albums masta has the better albums imo. you think ghost has a better discography then gza
gza has had the same flow and delivery for a minute, i hope you dont think thats winning you an argument v 3000. kind of hard to pick somebody being more creative than outkast, tell me how again gza is?
why do ppl sleep on big boi, he has one of the best flows in the game and is a perfect compliment to 3000. only ppl better than him in wu are, gza, masta, and i would prob put him on the same level as deck.
 04-12-2008, 05:02 PM         #78
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 KrayLay said:
you think masta is the second best? stop....
and dude had the nerve to say Ghost was overrated i can't argue with Cats that don't know the science
 10 years ago '06        #79
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 widow maker said:
yes you did you said Wu is only as strong as the weaest link U God
wu is way stronger then U-god. IN FACT wu is stronger then their strongest link. ain't no member in wu above the clan. andre 3000 makes outast what it s. big boi couldn't fu*k with Meth

meth fell off like 8 years ago :thumbsdow
 04-12-2008, 05:05 PM         #80
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 jj01 said:
that was a soundtrack, considering the setting of the movie i thought it was dope for what it was, and it did have a few gems on there. if you're saying something about hey ya being on the sell out and commercial side, meth crossed that line years ago makin songs with limp bizkit and sh*t:thumbsdow

deck has some great verses yes, but he makes weak albums masta has the better albums imo. you think ghost has a better discography then gza
gza has had the same flow and delivery for a minute, i hope you dont think thats winning you an argument v 3000. kind of hard to pick somebody being more creative than outkast, tell me how again gza is?
why do ppl sleep on big boi, he has one of the best flows in the game and is a perfect compliment to 3000. only ppl better than him in wu are, gza, masta, and i would prob put him on the same level as deck.
I didn't say Ghost had a better discography then anyone. i said MORE CONSISTENT. and te fact thathe's drop 3 bangers since GZA dropped 1 uncontrolled substance>>> any MK album

meth crossed the commercial line? wtf is hey ya you just convinced me you ain't worth my time.
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