Havoc VS. Rza

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Who's the better producer to you??
RZA 30 56.60%
HAVOC 23 43.40%
Voters: 53. Sorry, you cannot vote on this poll (Boxden members only)

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Props Slaps
 04-12-2008, 02:39 PM         #41
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 timdog said:
dont get upset homie imo cuban linx aint classic
Do I have to make a seperate thread?
 04-12-2008, 02:40 PM         #42
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 SHootar said:
^^^^


why are ppl haating on havoc like that

u think if he had a group like ghost, rae, inspectah, etc etc etc he wouldnt be sh*tting on the game??

his beats imo are not below rzas..if anything hes more consistent than rza whos laid out some pretty sh*tty work lately.
i just gave you props but you gettin carried away.no-one in here is hatin on Hav. the rappin has nothin to do with the production. so the fact wu was better lyrically has nothin to do with beats.

you said RZA been sh*tty lately but Havoc ain't been doin sh*t either? I mean lately Alchemeist been the one shining over there the kush was a major let down to me so when you talk about sh*tty work lately don't forget that piee of sh*t.
 04-12-2008, 02:42 PM         #43
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 rahuLL said:
no1 is hating on Havoc if people were hating on Havoc they'd say sum crazy sh*t like, "Havoc has 0 Classics" etc.

havoc is probably in my top 10. but i just think rza is better
exactly. it's like havin an opinion makes some1 a hater :rolleyes:
i got albums that some cats never heard with nasty RZA beats.

anybody heard Wu-Syndicatesback in the late 90's?
 04-12-2008, 02:44 PM         #44
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 timdog said:
dont get upset homie imo cuban linx aint classic
so you think
the infamy is better then OB4QL :wow:
 10 years ago '04        #45
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NEITHER......cuz they both rap about nothing apparent for the mind to grasp a concept....
 04-12-2008, 02:49 PM         #46
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 DjInfamous804 said:
NEITHER......cuz they both rap about nothing apparent for the mind to grasp a concept....
Team Blackhand

Is Graph some renaissance MC and I didn't find out?
 10 years ago '07        #47
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 widow maker said:
so you think
the infamy is better then OB4QL :wow:
nope but hell on earth and the infamous>ob4cl
 04-12-2008, 02:53 PM         #48
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 timdog said:
nope but hell on earth and the infamous>ob4cl


You just called all of those classic, but cuban links not, so how are they not better.
 10 years ago '07        #49
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 KrayLay said:


You just called all of those classic, but cuban links not, so how are they not better.
i said infamy was not better
 04-12-2008, 02:59 PM         #50
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 timdog said:
nope but hell on earth and the infamous>ob4cl
thats a close call. i wouldn't argue cause I love all 3 albums


how is the infamy not better if you called it a classic :rolleyes: do you know what your typing
 04-12-2008, 03:00 PM         #51
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 timdog said:
i said infamy was not better
but you called it a classic and Cuban Links not

which is it?

if Cuban Links is better then infamy (which you called classic) it wuld be classic

 10 years ago '06        #52
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 widow maker said:
i just gave you props but you gettin carried away.no-one in here is hatin on Hav. the rappin has nothin to do with the production. so the fact wu was better lyrically has nothin to do with beats.

ppl ARE hatin on havoc when sayin its not even close and rza easily and look all the classics hes put out etc.

cuz its not that wide of a margin...if there is one. the rapping DOES have sh*t to with classic albums...obviously. ppl are making the argument, look how many classics rza produced...well sh*t u dont think the best lyrical group of all time (outside maybe outkast) had anything to do with those classics??

havoc produced classic hood albums WITHOUT superior lyracism. i could rhyme off 25+ classic tracks from havoc just as easily as i could for rza. yeah rza has more material...so u gotta think in relative terms.

anyway i havent even made up my mind yet...cuz rza's in my top 5 probably...but i think ppl are REAAACHING tryna say rza easily.
 10 years ago '06        #53
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and dude sayin cuban linx aint a classic thats horrible
 10 years ago '06        #54
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 widow maker said:
anybody that says Havoc should k!ll theirself.

more classics = RZA
more material = Rza
better material = Rza
more influence = Rza
lol thats not hating??

i'll prop u back cuz its good disucssion, but saying neone who says havoc should k!ll themself foh
 04-12-2008, 03:09 PM         #55
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 SHootar said:
lol thats not hating??

i'll prop u back cuz its good disucssion, but saying neone who says havoc should k!ll themself foh
no thats not hating thats saying RZA is better. hating is saying
36 chambers >>>>>> Havocs career
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Havoc has no classics and sux.


i said he got 2 classics :rolleyes: classic albums have to have GREAT production thats why we're arguin classic albums.

you said Outkast might be better then Wu
until each artist puts out a "solo' album their is no comparison.untl they each can carry a whole cd without making a HEY YA don't even talk that to me. but in all fairness it's 9 vs 2. I like outkast but they ain't fu*kin with WU <<<thats another thread tho


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 04-12-2008, 03:12 PM         #56
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 SHootar said:
ppl ARE hatin on havoc when sayin its not even close and rza easily and look all the classics hes put out etc.

cuz its not that wide of a margin...if there is one. the rapping DOES have sh*t to with classic albums...obviously. ppl are making the argument, look how many classics rza produced...well sh*t u dont think the best lyrical group of all time (outside maybe outkast) had anything to do with those classics??

havoc produced classic hood albums WITHOUT superior lyracism. i could rhyme off 25+ classic tracks from havoc just as easily as i could for rza. yeah rza has more material...so u gotta think in relative terms.

anyway i havent even made up my mind yet...cuz rza's in my top 5 probably...but i think ppl are REAAACHING tryna say rza easily.


a great producer don't need super lyracism.I already named albums tat aren't wu-albums wu-syndicates & Samurai soundtrack both have amazing prod.
look at all the hot beats comin from the south they don't have super lyricism.

the board is speaking an RZA is winning easily. if you ain't ready for the answers don't ask the question
 10 years ago '06        #57
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 widow maker said:
no thats not hating thats saying RZA is better. hating is saying
36 chambers >>>>>> Havocs career
or
Havoc has no classics and sux.


i said he got 2 classics :rolleyes: classic albums have to have GREAT production thats why we're arguin classic albums.

you said Outkast might be better then Wu
until each artist puts out a classic "solo' album their is no comparison.but in all fairness it's 9 vs 2. I like outkast but they ain't fu*kin with WU <<<thats another thread tho

outkast is arguably better than wu

but as you said thats another thread
why would they need to both put out classics? every wu member doesnt have a classic, only about 2 actually do. plus as a group they have more classics than wu does. you're also only as good as your weakest link, and dre and 3000 can both rap circles around u god.


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 10 years ago '06        #58
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but you can have immaculate production with no classic album...lyracism is half the battle...


hence its not fair to compare classics. obviously the wu including solo albums got tons
 10 years ago '07        #59
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 widow maker said:
no thats not hating thats saying RZA is better. hating is saying
36 chambers >>>>>> Havocs career
or
Havoc has no classics and sux.


i said he got 2 classics :rolleyes: classic albums have to have GREAT production thats why we're arguin classic albums.

you said Outkast might be better then Wu
until each artist puts out a "solo' album their is no comparison.untl they each can carry a whole cd without making a HEY YA don't even talk that to me. but in all fairness it's 9 vs 2. I like outkast but they ain't fu*kin with WU <<<thats another thread tho

r u serious havoc got mad classics

get away any song on ob4cl

yea i fu*ked up tho infamy>ob4cl
 04-12-2008, 03:24 PM         #60
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 jj01 said:
outkast is arguably better than wu

but as you said thats another thread
why would they need to both put out classics? every wu member doesnt have a classic, only about 2 actually do. plus as a group they have more classics than wu does. you're also only as good as your weakest link, and dre and 3000 can both rap circles around u god.
yeah I edited that. they should atleast prove they can carry an album without bullsh*t like HEY YA

2 wu members hve classics

Liquid Swords
OB4QL
supreme clentele

Arguably
Beneath the Surface
Iron Man

does outkst even have 3 classics with 2 arguable classics

spcm
aquemeni
atliens

arguable





Wu as a group has better albums then Outkast and you don't think that wu-solo albums make them even stronger artist if outkast could drop solo albums and they wre strong don't you think they'd get more respect ?

they ca destroy U-god but can they fu*k with GZA,GFK,Rae,Meth and Deck? 3000 can but Big Boi ..HELL NO


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