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 10 years ago '04        #201
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 Exodus X13 said:
You sure are separating yourself from religion, coming in these religious threads to mock religious people every chance you get.


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Excuse me?
Im sorry If im coming off as mocking or bashing....but thats not my intentions.I am just trying to understand your point of views.Yes as far as practicing any religions I seperate myself but as far as discussing them or debating them,I have no problem with that since they seem to be such a huge part of our world.I mean "in god we trust" is on the money I use everyday....our president will always have a religious belief....theres no way America would ever vote in a atheist no matter how good of job he would do.As long as it plays such a huge role in our society then I have no choice but to discuss it from time to time.But I dont go on any Christian website and start up any arguments or anything like that.I dont try and convince people I know to think how I think.I mostly keep quiet about how I feel unless somebody asks me then I tell them and even then alot of people get offended for some reason.
 04-15-2008, 02:42 PM         #202
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never read it
 04-15-2008, 03:05 PM         #203
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every "educated" person should have decent knowledge of the bible, whether you're religious or not.
 10 years ago '06        #204
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 persuazion said:
Im sorry If im coming off as mocking or bashing....but thats not my intentions.I am just trying to understand your point of views.Yes as far as practicing any religions I seperate myself but as far as discussing them or debating them,I have no problem with that since they seem to be such a huge part of our world.I mean "in god we trust" is on the money I use everyday....our president will always have a religious belief....theres no way America would ever vote in a atheist no matter how good of job he would do.As long as it plays such a huge role in our society then I have no choice but to discuss it from time to time.But I dont go on any Christian website and start up any arguments or anything like that.I dont try and convince people I know to think how I think.I mostly keep quiet about how I feel unless somebody asks me then I tell them and even then alot of people get offended for some reason.
with that being said,you're an exception to the rule,but I have seen such attacks as those...where a Christian would post a question about contacting a lost one through "GOD" only to have a bunch of a**hole come in and mock the because of their belief in "GOD"
 10 years ago '06        #205
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I'm shocked at how many non-believers of the Bible are here ... we actually talked about it in church last Sunday ... ALL of the Bible must be true or NONE of it is true at all ... Since it is the foundation of the Christian faith and INSPIRED by God all the stories, concepts, etc. must be real... If there is one lie in the Bible, then we shouldnt believe any of it ... that is what I believe
 04-15-2008, 04:28 PM         #206
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 rblivewire327 said:
I'm shocked at how many non-believers of the Bible are here ... we actually talked about it in church last Sunday ... ALL of the Bible must be true or NONE of it is true at all ... Since it is the foundation of the Christian faith and INSPIRED by God all the stories, concepts, etc. must be real... If there is one lie in the Bible, then we shouldnt believe any of it ... that is what I believe
I agree. :applause:
 04-16-2008, 04:23 AM         #207
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 rblivewire327 said:
I'm shocked at how many non-believers of the Bible are here ... we actually talked about it in church last Sunday ... ALL of the Bible must be true or NONE of it is true at all ... Since it is the foundation of the Christian faith and INSPIRED by God all the stories, concepts, etc. must be real... If there is one lie in the Bible, then we shouldnt believe any of it ... that is what I believe
u do know the bible is just a mish-mash of ancient storys, with the name changed 2 jesus right? before jesus the egyptians had ra.

oh and what about the 2 ommitted gospels? that talk about flying crafts and such?

what about the fact that jesus wasnt born on the 25th dec? and that paul changed this 2 coincide with british tribes beliefs? etc.

there are plenty of lies in the bible, remember, it was written by man.

a belief in god can help, religious beliefs dont.
 04-16-2008, 11:32 AM         #208
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yall need to read revelations...then you will find out why that ish is going on in the middle east
 04-16-2008, 11:46 AM         #209
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 jataylorlfc said:
u do know the bible is just a mish-mash of ancient storys, with the name changed 2 jesus right? before jesus the egyptians had ra.

oh and what about the 2 ommitted gospels? that talk about flying crafts and such?

what about the fact that jesus wasnt born on the 25th dec? and that paul changed this 2 coincide with british tribes beliefs? etc.

there are plenty of lies in the bible, remember, it was written by man.

a belief in god can help, religious beliefs dont.
@ this zeitgeist watching mofo.

2 omitted gospels? WTF!

The Bible never said Jesus was born on December 25th moron. How did Paul change it when the Bible never mentions it.


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 04-16-2008, 12:08 PM         #210
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 Christos© said:
@ this zeitgeist watching mofo.

2 omitted gospels? WTF!

The Bible never said Jesus was born on December 25th moron. How did Paul change it when the Bible never mentions it.
yes the gospel of thomas for example, where jesus is shown in a more human light, and has more sayings from him without a simple narrative on his life.

this is common knowledge, not some conspiracy. again i know your religion better than yourself kid.

where did i say the bible stated an date of jesus' birth? i simply stated it as another christian inconsistency.

yes, keep typing >:Lol:'s if it makes u feel as if u have succeeded in this argument.
 04-16-2008, 12:24 PM         #211
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 jataylorlfc said:
yes the gospel of thomas for example, where jesus is shown in a more human light, and has more sayings from him without a simple narrative on his life.

this is common knowledge, not some conspiracy. again i know your religion better than yourself kid.

where did i say the bible stated an date of jesus' birth? i simply stated it as another christian inconsistency.

yes, keep typing >:Lol:'s if it makes u feel as if u have succeeded in this argument.
The gospel of Thomas was written in the 2nd century almost more than 100 years later than the first gospel Mark. I knew you were talking about these late writing that were NOT written during the lives of the eyewitnesses, you're talking about some sh*t coming hundreds of years afterwards.

It's hilarious cause you bozo's say the 4 gospels were written a generation after Jesus they could be lying or something then you posit some gospel written hundreds of years after the fact and get mad when nobody thinks something written that far out can give us anything about Jesus.

You said Paul changed it to December 25th when it is no where in his writings you just made it up.
 10 years ago '06        #212
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 jataylorlfc said:
u do know the bible is just a mish-mash of ancient storys, with the name changed 2 jesus right? before jesus the egyptians had ra.

oh and what about the 2 ommitted gospels? that talk about flying crafts and such?

what about the fact that jesus wasnt born on the 25th dec? and that paul changed this 2 coincide with british tribes beliefs? etc.

there are plenty of lies in the bible, remember, it was written by man.

a belief in god can help, religious beliefs dont.

There are no lies in the Bible ... it was written by man but inspired by God. Take the fact the the Dead Sea scrolls (old testament - oldest known form) was only found sometime in the 1940's. When these were compared to what we originally had (an old testament from about 100 years after Chrsit) they were alomst identical and certainly consistent. Please send me a link to these omitted gospels so I can read them also.
 10 years ago '06        #213
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 jataylorlfc said:
yes the gospel of thomas for example, where jesus is shown in a more human light, and has more sayings from him without a simple narrative on his life.

this is common knowledge, not some conspiracy. again i know your religion better than yourself kid.

where did i say the bible stated an date of jesus' birth? i simply stated it as another christian inconsistency.

yes, keep typing >:Lol:'s if it makes u feel as if u have succeeded in this argument.
I'm guessing u don't read the Bible, but took the time to read these 2 omitted gospels?
 04-16-2008, 06:27 PM         #214
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 jataylorlfc said:
u do know the bible is just a mish-mash of ancient storys, with the name changed 2 jesus right? before jesus the egyptians had ra.

oh and what about the 2 ommitted gospels? that talk about flying crafts and such?

what about the fact that jesus wasnt born on the 25th dec? and that paul changed this 2 coincide with british tribes beliefs? etc.

there are plenty of lies in the bible, remember, it was written by man.

a belief in god can help, religious beliefs dont.

The Bible doesn't even state a date for the birth of Jesus, you always post things with no relevance to the subject at hand.

And lmao @ you saying Paul changed anything to coincide with British beliefs, Britain was not even relevant then.


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 04-17-2008, 03:12 AM         #215
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 Christos© said:
The gospel of Thomas was written in the 2nd century almost more than 100 years later than the first gospel Mark. I knew you were talking about these late writing that were NOT written during the lives of the eyewitnesses, you're talking about some sh*t coming hundreds of years afterwards.

It's hilarious cause you bozo's say the 4 gospels were written a generation after Jesus they could be lying or something then you posit some gospel written hundreds of years after the fact and get mad when nobody thinks something written that far out can give us anything about Jesus.

You said Paul changed it to December 25th when it is no where in his writings you just made it up.
no, u dont know that, no1 does 4 certain yet, many believe (scientists and experienced carbon daters not nutcases) have said it could precede the canonical gospels.

where did i cite the reasoning of written after jesus ' death = fake...ah i didnt did i?

no i didnt, its fact that the early church changed, or rather defined jesus' birth as the 25th dec to bring in romans/romano-britons and britons.

this is fact.
 04-17-2008, 03:18 AM         #216
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 rblivewire327 said:
There are no lies in the Bible ... it was written by man but inspired by God. Take the fact the the Dead Sea scrolls (old testament - oldest known form) was only found sometime in the 1940's. When these were compared to what we originally had (an old testament from about 100 years after Chrsit) they were alomst identical and certainly consistent. Please send me a link to these omitted gospels so I can read them also.
BUT U DONT KNOW THIS, im arguing in facts, do the same.

and they storys within them are consistent with older myths and legends, e.g ra the egyptian sun god, replicates the jesus story almost exactly, and mithras the ancient roman cult etc.

a consistency of articles does not validate the bible as the word of god.

just search gospes of: thomas, peter,judas, secret gospel of mark.
 04-17-2008, 03:24 AM         #217
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 Exodus X13 said:
The Bible doesn't even state a date for the birth of Jesus, you always post things with no relevance to the subject at hand.

And lmao @ you saying Paul changed anything to coincide with British beliefs, Britain was not even relevant then.
well before that most people celebrated his birth on new years day, its a fact it was changed by the early church 2 coincide with pagan beliefs.

but he did exactly that u tit, not only british beliefs but roman and romano british belifes, search MITHRAS

everyone have a look @ the cult of mithras and tell mer u dont see some interesting comparisons.

Ernest Renan summarized in his 1882 The Origins of Christianity by saying "if the growth of Christianity had been arrested by some mortal malady, the world would have been Mithraic.
the two religions were the biggest in the western world at the time, meaning christianity changed some things 2 entice more people.
 10 years ago '04        #218
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 rblivewire327 said:
There are no lies in the Bible ... it was written by man but inspired by God. Take the fact the the Dead Sea scrolls (old testament - oldest known form) was only found sometime in the 1940's. When these were compared to what we originally had (an old testament from about 100 years after Chrsit) they were alomst identical and certainly consistent. Please send me a link to these omitted gospels so I can read them also.
again this is why we can never win an argument because of Faith....you say "There are no lies in the Bible ... it was written by man but inspired by God" How do you know they where inspired by God?Is that truly a definite fact that you know and have no doubt on? Because man wrote it down in a book and it says so? you ever seen a movie that says "inspired by a true story"....they change and add all kinds of things to make it more intresting for the viewer...
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 Exodus X13 said:
The Bible doesn't even state a date for the birth of Jesus, you always post things with no relevance to the subject at hand.

And lmao @ you saying Paul changed anything to coincide with British beliefs, Britain was not even relevant then.
Just another example of how people can follow religion and not even know what really happened.....if I go out and ask 100 Christians why we celebrate Christmas..75 of them would say "that was the day Jesus was born".....I guess they needed a def day so they just chose Dec.25. Christmas songs stating "He is light, He is love, He is grace Born on Christmas day" can confuse people I suppose. And does anybody else find it odd that 2 of the worlds biggest mythical characters...Santa and the Easter Bunny are related to religious holidays?
 04-17-2008, 01:02 PM         #220
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 jataylorlfc said:
BUT U DONT KNOW THIS, im arguing in facts, do the same.

and they storys within them are consistent with older myths and legends, e.g ra the egyptian sun god, replicates the jesus story almost exactly, and mithras the ancient roman cult etc.

a consistency of articles does not validate the bible as the word of god.

just search gospes of: thomas, peter,judas, secret gospel of mark.


You're posting lies again, did you just watch zeitgeist or something?




 jataylorlfc said:
no, u dont know that, no1 does 4 certain yet, many believe (scientists and experienced carbon daters not nutcases) have said it could precede the canonical gospels.

where did i cite the reasoning of written after jesus ' death = fake...ah i didnt did i?

no i didnt, its fact that the early church changed, or rather defined jesus' birth as the 25th dec to bring in romans/romano-britons and britons.

this is fact.

Yawns, I don't follow pagan holidays.




 persuazion said:
Just another example of how people can follow religion and not even know what really happened.....if I go out and ask 100 Christians why we celebrate Christmas..75 of them would say "that was the day Jesus was born".....I guess they needed a def day so they just chose Dec.25. Christmas songs stating "He is light, He is love, He is grace Born on Christmas day" can confuse people I suppose. And does anybody else find it odd that 2 of the worlds biggest mythical characters...Santa and the Easter Bunny are related to religious holidays?


Pagan holidays.




They are not the least bit religious.


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