----The Offcial "LOST" Season 4 Thread----

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 02-02-2008, 04:03 AM         #21
Sir Shiesty  OP
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 HeavenlySword said:
pfft. you not seeing these goofy a.ss smiles hes giving Kate because he thinks hes about to get rescued? hes getting too comfortable now.....too sloppy.
thats wat im sayin n*gga b slippin.
hes goin on like they had that year break from the programme like us .
 02-02-2008, 04:10 AM         #22
Sir Shiesty  OP
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theres 6 thats meant to of got off.......
are counting micheal in that ?

if u remember the last episode of the the 3rd season in a flash forward ....
Jack goes to a funeral in the hood .

and yea i think there is gonna b a beef between jacks crew, locke and the peeps from the boat .

i hope sawyer and sayid make it. they keep it real out there.
 10 years ago '07        #23
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the other three that got off are

Sawyer
Locke
Clarie
 02-04-2008, 03:14 PM         #24
younggun11  OP
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and claire's baby? would that make 7?
 10 years ago '05        #25
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One Radio, Two Frequencies?
Listen closely to the satellite radio transmissions again, because something really didn’t jive for me. First, you have ‘George’ – he sounds like a Friday morning DJ on his 7th cup of coffee. The guy is just wayyyy too chipper. He asks for Naomi and Jack lies to him.
The second transmission is answered by Kate. No morning DJ voice… this one is way more sinister and downright evil. “Who’s this?” and “Where’s Jack?” – it doesn’t sound anything like George and there’s no mention of Naomi. By the third call, chipper George is back and looking for Naomi again. He also mentions he needs a frequency change in order to find their position. Which leaves a couple of questions:

First, who was the evil voice in that second call? It came through more garbled than the other two, and in a much more ominous, rainy, whispery-type of otherworldly talk. Second, what happened to the radio that the frequency was changed? Jack didn’t change it, and I’m pretty sure Kate didn’t… although why she lifted the radio from Jack in the first place still seems 100% mystery to me. It wasn’t like she needed it for anything. I think this is a BIG question.

Even weirder, Naomi lies right before she expires in order to protect Kate and company. Perhaps Kate really did convince her that Locke acted alone. And who is her sister? In the end, I got the feeling Naomi’s intentions were good. If the rescuers really do turn out to be as bad as they’re currently being built up, I think maybe Naomi was kept out of the loop when it came to their true agenda. Or maybe Naomi’s people (1st and 3rd transmission?) aren’t exactly the same people who show up in helicopters next episode (2nd transmission?) Just a thought.

The Smoke Monster
The smoke monster made a big appearance this episode, and I’m going to tell you where to look for it. Ready? Good: It floats out the door of the mental ward. Think you missed it? No way… because the smoke monster this episode was Matthew Abbadon.

That whole scene was a total creepfest. From start to finish, you knew the guy was totally OFF. Think back to the episode where Mr. Eko died - think back to his last visions of Yemi. Remember that moment? The moment where Eko realized he wasn’t really looking at his brother? Abbadon had that same look. That same startling, bug-eyed, blood-chilling ‘Yemi-stare’. “Are they still alive?” – he says it with the same toneless inflection as Yemi asking Eko to beg forgiveness. His look is just nuts.

If you don’t believe me, watch as he leaves through the door. You never see him exit, you only see a shadow. A shadow that dissipates from left to right, disappearing through the doorway in much the same way the smoke monster moves.

Uncle Jacob’s Cabin
I was probably not the only one excited to see Crazy Jacob’s haunted cabin pop up again this episode. This time Hurley stumbles across it, although of course he doesn’t stumble across it at all. “Jacob is not a man you go to see – you are summoned by him”. For some reason this episode, Jacob wants an audience with Hurley.

Now like everyone else I went back and freeze-framed the dude in the chair, and there’s no doubt that this time (at least for a second or two) it’s Jack’s dad. I say ‘this time’ because I tend to think the person stuck in that chair is many people all at once, or perhaps might only exist in the eye of the beholder. This makes absolutely no sense because as far as I know, Hurley has never seen Christian Shepard. His mind would have no reason to ‘see’ him that way. But then again this is LOST, and who the hell knows what’s going on.
The eye in the window… I’m pretty sure it’s the same eye we saw from last season, which was a closeup of Jacob himself. It also looks (to me) like it could be Mikhail’s eye. The eye has pretty large tear ducts, which I think the actor who played Ben’s dad Roger Workman has. Those are my three guesses – feel free to agree or disagree with me - but I do not think it was Locke.

One last thing about the cabin itself: the lantern is definitely whole again, reinforcing the time-rewind theory from last season’s cabin visit.
As Hurley runs from Jacob’s cabin, it appears (Identity-ishly) ahead of him again – only this time, the door swings open invitingly. This is reminiscent of Desmond’s description of how he tried to leave the island in his boat, only to be returned to shore again and again no matter which direction he sailed. What’s interesting here is how Hurley can break the island’s cycle of events by willing something his way. After repeating “There’s nothing here” a few times, the cabin is gone. Later on in the episode Hurley counts to five and gets rid of Charlie’s ghost exactly the same way. Perhaps his faith is growing, even if he doesn’t realize it just yet.

More importantly, why does Jacob seek an audience with Hurley? It could be because of the faith thing I just mentioned, but it could also be because Hurley is one of the few constants the island can’t touch. At least twice, Hurley has stated “I’m not supposed to be here”. In Locke’s sweat-tent dream vision Hurley is the only 815’er not making his way on board the plane. In season one he arrives at the gate and the stewardess says “I don’t think you’re supposed to make this flight, hon”. Without going into this too deeply, I’ll repeat my a.ssertion that Hurley has always been untouchable – both on and off the island – because he was never part of the original equation. Maybe the island would rather just have him gone. Maybe this is why Hurley is later allowed to leave as one of the ‘Oceanic Six’. (Incidentally, I saw Cloverfield two weeks ago, and one of the characters says the same thing: “I’m not supposed to be here”).

When Hurley refuses Jacob’s invite, he does the next best thing: he sends Locke. Doing the island’s bidding, Locke takes a page out of Ben’s book, rationally explaining his position to Hurley and then planting a seed that would sprout later on in the episode. He tells him that if they can’t convince Jack that Naomi’s people are bad news, “Charlie will have died for nothing”. Devious, but effective.

I’m Dead but I’m Here
Of huge importance this episode was Charlie’s visit to Hurley at the mental ward. Another season, another time… any one of us might chalk this up to Hurley’s imagination. After all, he is in a mental hospital. But this far into LOST’s plotline? Nah. Not anymore. Suddenly this type of thing isn’t so shocking anymore, and it’s far more believable. Just look at the nonchalant way Hurley’s ward-buddy can see Charlie as well.
Hurley seeing Charlie was nothing like Hurley seeing Dave two seasons ago. It’s hard to explain, but there’s a different feel to it now. Charlie came forward very logically, placidly, hands raised as if to say “I know, I know, it’s kinda freaky but just hear me out”. Hurley was as rational as someone who just saw a ghost could be. The conversation they had seemed genuine and real.

Watching the scene, I was immediately reminded of the whispers. I could hear Boone’s voice saying “Dying sucks” all those seasons ago. Going along with my own beliefs on alternate timelines and all that other stuff people love to take a crap upon, it seems as if characters who are dead or gone still somehow have a vested interest in how the story of LOST turns out. They stick around. They whisper. They drop hints and rearrange things. And now, they hold informal meetings during mental hospital recess. They’re getting bolder.

So in short, it sure seems like the surviving ‘Oceanic Six’ are seeing their dead (or abandoned) comrades in all their flash forwards. They’re seeing them for a reason, because apparently they can still do something to rectify whatever it was that happened. “They need you” seems to refer to the people still on the island, because for some reason I don’t think everyone on the island ‘died’ the way Ben foretold they would.

HO! HO! HO!
Last but not least, I’ll leave you all with something I noticed but have no idea what it means. The word ‘HO’ shows up three times this episode, in three different forms. First, glance behind Hurley as he’s freaking out over Abbadon trying to take him away – there’s a small plastic(?) sculpture of the letters ‘HO’ on a shelf back there. Later on, he makes reference to Charlie’s ghost showing up in the convenience store right next to the “Ho Ho’s”. And finally, playing HORSE with Hurley, Jack misses two shots. Hurley’s response: “That’s HO”.
I’m drawing a blank on this one.
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 10 years ago '04        #26
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great cliffnote....i hope u post this every week
 10 years ago '04        #27
infam0uskills 15 heat pts15
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word great breakdown, some of the stuff you mentioned i forgot til i read what you wrote.
 10 years ago '07        #28
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Locke & Sawyer >>>>>
 10 years ago '05        #29
R4P 11 heat pts11
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dont give me too much credit, I didnt write that up myself.

but I will post it every week :D
 02-05-2008, 06:47 PM         #30
Scorp  OP
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whens it on
 10 years ago '04        #31
lilsnatch770|M 101 heat pts101
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 Mr. Snowman said:
the other three that got off are

Sawyer
Locke
Clarie

I don't feel claire would make it - that's why Charlie told Hurley that they need to go back because he loved her and wanted her to be safe.....but who knows with this series
 10 years ago '05        #32
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everyone watch this.....


brings up even more Qs about Christian/Jacob

I'd like to share some things I was thinking about today.

What's one thign we know about the island? It does weird things involving life and death. Throughout the whole first season people thought they were all in pergatory. But besides that, we know people who are dying on the island can be healed and live, we know people who try to have NEW life with a baby, the mother will die. And we also know peopel who DIE on the island might only be mostly dead (or perhaps completely impersonated by the monster)

So what's missing? How is Christian unique from EVERY other character? He is the one person, who in unusual circumstances, came onto the island ALREADY DEAD. And as we know from long ago, his body was missing from the coffin. (And yes I know people died in the crash, but it's not a huge stretch to say something could have happened to these people before the deaths)

So if you think that they changed their mind at the last second and switched Jacob from Hurley to Christian (I'm looking at you, Jorge Garcia), or if you think that it's just another "new question" that Lost is throwing at you, I think it's pretty safe to say you're wrong. Christian is clearly going to be very important and probably has always been Jacob.

Also, he's had to have been in more flashbacks than any other minor character.
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 02-05-2008, 09:30 PM         #33
younggun11  OP
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yo those missing pieces were crazy.. just throws me off even more
 10 years ago '07        #34
kyhoopsgoat 418 heat pts418
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Oceanic 6 are as follows:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
 02-06-2008, 07:13 PM         #35
snoopaliciouS  OP
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is there anyone who knows where to watch the missing pieces?
would appreciate it
 10 years ago '05        #36
R4P 11 heat pts11
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^^ my link
 10 years ago '04        #37
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 kyhoopsgoat said:
Oceanic 6 are as follows:

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin
BAN NO SPOILERS WITHOUT WARNING ..............
 02-07-2008, 09:48 PM         #38
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 Scorp said:
whens it on
Thursday @ 9/8 Central

yea it used to be 10/9 and "switch it back to its original timeslot" really fu*ked me on DVR recording this week.
 10 years ago '07        #39
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 goke11429 said:
BAN NO SPOILERS WITHOUT WARNING ..............
Are you mad?
 10 years ago '04        #40
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From what I've heard;

[SPOILERS]







- The "rescuers" are the new Dharma Initiative who want to get/kill Ben for k!lling off the original Dharma Initiative and going with the natives.
- Locke dies at the end of the season.
- They find a direct connectio to get to Antarctica from the Island, but the key (that Desmond turned) must be turned to open the time bubble, since time on the Island is different from "normal" time.
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