Nov 9 - Frank Lucas- Tell Mr. Jay-Z, to please watch his mouth
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Nov 9 - Frank Lucas- Tell Mr. Jay-Z, to please watch his mouth
By Chuck ďJigsawĒ Creekmur
Frank Lucas on what he hopes his legacy will be:
ďIím very remorseful. Sorry I did what I did. I did it. Wouldnít do it again if it was laying out on the table for me. My name is Frank Lucas and please respect me as such.Ē
Frank Lucas has been highly respected for a number of things he has been: father, husband, businessman, and one of the leading drug lords in the 60ís and 70ís. These days, the 77-year-old North Carolina transplant is regarded as the ďAmerican GangsterĒ and his life is now an acclaimed film starring Denzel Washington, Russell Crowe and rappers like Common and T.I.
A sizable segment of the population loathes Lucas for his drug dealing days, where he went so far as to transport near-pure heroin in the caskets of dead Viet Nam vets though the U.S. military. These days, he rejects the American Gangster moniker and is now seeks to do some good for all of the negative heís contributed to the world, especially his drug haven of Harlem, New York.
With all his illegal millions gone, he now denounces his gangster ways, but Frank Lucas is what he is and when you hear his gruff, abrasive voice recall the old days, you know heís the genuine article. In this AllHipHop interview, he examines how he became the infamous Frank Lucas. He trounces commonly held street notions about rival Nicky Barnes and The Council. He discusses his sonís rap career. Finally, heís also got a few barbed words for rap magistrate Jay-Z and that infamous line from ďNo HookĒ from his hit album American Gangster.
AllHipHop.com: At one point, I heard you were charging for interviews so I didnít think weíd ever get to talk.
Frank Lucas: I donít never do too much for free, but heyÖwhy the hell not? You donít pay for your interviews?
AllHipHop.com: No. I donít get any money for interviews that I do.
Frank Lucas: Why not? I hear youíre a super star.
AllHipHop.com: [laughs] Iím somebody, but I donít know about a super star. Thatís you.
Frank Lucas: Thatís the word out there Ė super star.
AllHipHop.com: [joking] Well maybe I should charge then.
Frank Lucas: Letís talk.
AllHipHop.com: So, how do you feel you were represented in the movie American Gangster, which is based on your lifes and times in Harlem?
Frank Lucas: Well, I said it once and Iíll say it again, I donít have anything to say but good when you have Mr. Denzel Washington doing your part.
AllHipHop.com: Itís a great movie, from my perspective.
Frank Lucas: You saw the movie so there ainít much I can tell you.
AllHipHop.com: Who is the real Frank Lucas? Obviously, weíve seen the movie, but its just that Ė a movie. How accurate is the movie?
Frank Lucas: Through that whole movie, and the parts that Mr. Washington does, is 85-95% accurate. You canít get much better than that.
AllHipHop.com: The opening scene of the movie is a shocker to me. I know youíve said on the record that you havenít k!lled anybody, but how were they able to represent you that way?
Frank Lucas: I told you it was a movie. Theyíre gonna make their money regardless. You gotta look at it that way also, you know?
AllHipHop.com: I get it. It stated in the movie that there is an experience you had before coming to Harlem where you experienced a lot of racism and hardships. Can you speak on that and how it affected you into what you eventually became.
Frank Lucas: When you are a kid and you see something like that, you canít help but affect your life. You canít help but think that the whole world is trying to tear you down and rip you off. When you are six years old and you see something like a Ku Klux Klan knock your cousinís teeth out with handle of a shotgun and turn around and put it in his mouth and pull the triggerÖ I mean, his face looked good, but you could put a cantaloupe in the back of his head [because the hole was so big]. That canít help but affect you. Iím speaking to you now, but a little while ago I was feeling sick. Brains ÖbrainsÖboneÖbloodÖteethÖwas all over the yard.
Frank Lucas: Did you read about why he got that?
AllHipHop.com: Yeah, for looking at a White woman Ė ďreckless eyeballing.Ē
Frank Lucas: Yeah, you got it. Reckless eyeballing. I donít even think that was in the movie, but thatís what it was. All that was for reckless eyeballing and thatís a damn shame.
AllHipHop.com: That was crazy and that was in North Carolina, correct?
Frank Lucas: Absolutely.
AllHipHop.com: A lot of your family is from North CarolinaÖ
Frank Lucas: All my family is from North CarolinaÖwe all come from down there.
AllHipHop.com: Do you stay in touch with your family at all?
Frank Lucas: Heck yeah. Iíve always been a family man, always will be. Iím about family more than anything else in the world. Without family, youíve got nothing.
AllHipHop.com: Youíre right. Iím close to my family too. How did you maintain the life in the drug game with a family? Itís not a lifestyle conducive to having loved ones. In the period of the movie you supposedly had a daughter that wasnít depicted.
Frank Lucas: It might be hard for some people, but it wasnít hard for me. You mean, back in the money days, the glory daysÖthatís what youíre talking about?
Frank Lucas: I did both. I matched them up real well. It wasnít hard for me, not at all. They had everything they could dream about. They had everything. On the other hand, I wasnít a happy camper, because I was thinking back and forth in my head, ďWhatís gonna happen when this is over.Ē
AllHipHop.com: A lot of people ask, ďWhy didnít you stop?Ē Can you answer that question now?
Frank Lucas: I can answer it now, but I donít know if itís the answer you looking for. I didnít stop, because my wife gotta get me to stop. Some of my family gotta get me to stop. Them laws [canít make me stop]. They ainít even know what I was Ė I went like 10 years before they even knew what I was doing. The law [police] is a lie. Always something. But anyway, my wife caught onto it like any wife would. She kept on digging and digging and digging and she caught on to it. And I kept telling her, ďOne more time, just one more time, one more trip, one more trip. Iím getting $3,000 for this one, just leave me alone.Ē Three thousand was a big load back then. I guess it still might be. Iím not in it no more so I wouldnít know. I told [his wife], ďLeave me alone. Iíma do this.Ē When you do that, youíre gonna lose big time.
AllHipHop.com: How low did you get?
Frank Lucas: What do you mean?
AllHipHop.com: In the movie, it shows basically you losing everything. Was that the case? Typically there is a stash somewhere.
Frank Lucas: I was down to zero; living like I was when I was six years old. I didnít have no money, man. When I come out the joint, I could buy a pack of cigarettes and a cup off coffee Ė maybe.
AllHipHop.com: At the end of the movie, when you get out, there is rap music playing. Was there a point, they were trying to make?
Frank Lucas: You gotta remember when I went into the penitentiary, there wasnít a such thing as rap music. There was James Brown, Aretha FranklinÖthey were popular then. ďBop, bop, bopĒ [rap music]Ė that wasnít around then. The world was a different place when I come out.
AllHipHop.com: What do you think about this? In real life, you were considered a gangster, butÖ
Frank Lucas: I hope not.
AllHipHop.com: What? You donít want to be considered a gangster?
Frank Lucas: No sir.
AllHipHop.com: Why not?
Frank Lucas: I went that route and it didnít get me nothing. It got me a whole lot of clout and I hurt a lot of people. I donít want to hurt people no more. Iím very remorseful for what I did. I donít want to go through that roadÖI donít want to do that again.
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AllHipHop.com: Thatís a good message to send. I recently spoke to some people and they were asking me if American Gangster would be adopted like Scarface has been embraced by Hip-Hop. I told them noÖthe stories end differently. Secondly, you have expressed a certain amount of remorse.
Frank Lucas: I have all the remorse in the world. I didnít do it right. That was a terrible thing I did. Also, you gotta understand. Me and "Scarface" were in two different worlds. He was in the cocaine world and I was in the other world - the real dirty world.
AllHipHop.com: Why do you say ďthe real dirty world?Ē
Frank Lucas: Heroin is a real dirty business. Thatís a horrible business to be in. People get up, get into that and they donít come back. Iím not speaking on this [from personal knowledge], because I wasnít on the s**t. But a cocaine user can do without it, they donít have to have it. Heroin, you know you have to have that. I donít know if thatís true or not, but thatís what I hear.
AllHipHop.com: I know a few people in the music game that casually use it on the weekends and then they go to work on Monday.
Frank Lucas: You canít do that with heroin. You do that with heroin, you get hooked. You gotta have that every day. Every day is Sunday, Monday to you.
AllHipHop.com: Your son is rapping now.
Frank Lucas: Thatís my son. For real, thatís my son.
AllHipHop.com: How do you feel about him using your name to jump start his career in that manner?
Frank Lucas: Hey, you know what? More power to him. If I could help him, I would, but ainít much I can do, because Iím not out there like that no more, you know? I just hope he goes out there and has a great career, you know, and do the right thing. I know he is. He ainít into drugs so I know he ainít going to get into drugs. Heís old now so I donít believe heís going to get into it now.
AllHipHop.com: They say Hip-Hop is the new dope game. Like all the street dudes are getting into the rap game to keep it legit, but still talk about their experience in the street.
Frank Lucas: That could be true, but Iím not into rapping and all that kind of thing. I really wouldnít know.
AllHipHop.com: OK, no problem. This might be a rumor, but I heard that Nicky Barnes didnít like his portrayal in the American Gangster movie.
Frank Lucas: I donít know. Let me tell you, I have no idea. I havenít spoken to him since the movie came out.
AllHipHop.com: Have you seen his movie, Mr. Untouchable?
Frank Lucas: No, have you seen it?
AllHipHop.com: No, but Iím trying to. I really want to see it, you know. A lot of us in the Hip-Hop Generation are fascinated by those times. Also, with all the rappers dropping names, we hear it but we donít always get the story, whether itís a movie, book or documentary. Now, we are getting some of the real stories.
Frank Lucas: I heard its pretty good, Mr. Untouchable. Did you hear about it?
AllHipHop.com: Iím reading the book, but I heard its pretty good
Frank Lucas: You know, when Nicky was out there, I know he did a lot of bad things, they treated him like a dog when he wasnít out there [jail]. I heard after three months, he couldnít buy a pack of cigarettes. They took all their money and dogged him.
AllHipHop.com: Are you talking about The Council? [Nicky Barnes organized and strengthened his power base by uniting other powerful drug dealers called The Council.]
Frank Lucas: I didnít know nothing about no Council when I was out there. I wouldnít play that. If somebody wants to be a Don or a Gambino, the other guy wants to be Al Capone. The other guy wants to be Frank Nitti. Hey, you turn around [and] you got a mess. There wasnít no damn Council. I can tell you that right now. Thatís not true. Anybody [contradicts] that, they lying.
AllHipHop.com: What do you mean?
Frank Lucas: I wouldnít have stood for it, ok?
AllHipHop.com: Say that again?
Frank Lucas: If I say [there] ainít no damn Council, ainít gonna be no got damn Council. Believe me.
AllHipHop.com: Well, why do you say that? There was this whole thing, this organizational chart and all that.
Frank Lucas: I donít care what they say. They can say anything that they want.
AllHipHop.com: Are you saying that they made it seem like Nicky and The Council were more organized than they actually were?
Frank Lucas: Of course they were. You know got damn well they gonna make it appear like they were all organized and that. Iím telling you there wasnít no such thing. It was bulls**t is what Iím telling you.
AllHipHop.com: Ok, ok. Well, thatís a popular notion that there was the Council. There is a whole organizational chart right in the front of ďMr. Untouchable.Ē
Frank Lucas: Nicky is lying. Heís making it up. Heís lying. Iím telling you, if I said there wasnít going to be no Council, there wasnít gonna be none. And I said there wasnít no Council and there wasnít no Council. They wasnít no Gambinos, no Al Caponeís or no Bumpy JohnsonísÖno I wasnít having that.
AllHipHop.com: Now, you say you werenít going to have that, but were you and Nicky rivals? With ďBlue Magic,Ē you had a ďbetterĒ drug product, but he covered more ground in New York than you. Am I correct in saying that?
Frank Lucas: Hell, no you not correct. He ainít cover more than nothing I did. It wasnít good as mine, it wasnít better than mine Ė it wasnít nothing. Iím not bragging. Iím not bragging. Iím telling you how it was. If I was out there, I would have bought it [his own drugs].
AllHipHop.com: A lot of you were considered businessmen.
Frank Lucas: Yes, I had businesses and stuff, from North Carolina to New York. New York, I had a supermarket. North Carolina, I had 6,000 acres of land [for] farming. Hey, I was a businessman.
AllHipHop.com: How did you maintain all your business and even your drug game? Did you have a tight grip on these other businesses as well?
Frank Lucas: Yes, sir. In Los Angeles, Chicago, Detroit, Miami, [inaudible city], North Carolina, I had a lot of property and the government took every damn bit of it. They took everything I had, every dime I had. Put it like this, I wasnít that smart of a businessman, because if I was, I would have put it somewhere they could [not] have took it. And I could have, but hell, I didnít think they could take all those properties.
My lawyer, Jeff Harper, told me they could not take nothing off shore [out of the United States], those bank accounts off shore. I believed what he told me and it cost me a whole lot of money.
AllHipHop.com: I thought they couldnít take anything outside of the U.S.
Frank Lucas: Donít you ever believe that, you hear? They want something, they go and get it. They went and got mine. I donít care what they say. They went and got mine. I wish to the world [that they couldnít] Ė Iíd be super rich if I could get my money back. And Iíd be super rich all over again.
AllHipHop.com: Speaking of rich, can you tell me how much you took home from American Gangster for them usingÖ
Frank Lucas: Naw, naw, nawÖthat ainít none of your business. Iím not gonna tell you that.
AllHipHop.com: Alright, I wouldnít expect you to.
Frank Lucas: You didnít expect me to, but you did ask.
AllHipHop.com: You can say no. I donít mind you saying no.
Frank Lucas: [laughs] I like you man. You alright. You OK. Iím gonna say what I gotta say my way and you do what you gotta do.
AllHipHop.com: Hey, I respect, ďNoĒ more than a bullcrap answer.
Frank Lucas: Iím not gonna give you no bullcrap answer.
AllHipHop.com: Jay-Z recently recorded an album inspired by the movie. He had a line on his song "No Hook" that was talking about you. Iím sure you heard it.
Frank Lucas: No, I havenít. I donít listen to Mr. Jay-Zís music, but please tell me what it is.
AllHipHop.com: He says, ďIím more Frank Lucas than LudacrisĒ and Ludacris is a rapper. Then he says, ďFrank Lucas is cool, but I ainít trying to snitch.Ē Now, I know that you on record have addressed that situation, butÖ
Frank Lucas: Tell that young man to watch his mouth. Please watch his mouth. Tell that young man to please watch his mouth. Mr. Jay-Z, tell him to please watch his mouth. You saw the movie?
AllHipHop.com: I sure did.
[In the movie, Frank provides information that leads to the conviction of crooked cops and Italian drug dealers. Critics say he offered information on others, a charge he denies.]
Frank Lucas: Then you know what I did. You know exactly what I did. It was all in there. And if thatís what you call a snitch, then so be it.
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My man good sh*t. Jay say he Frank Lucas. Jay you worth alot because of rap and other sh*t not drugs. But I aint hating sh*tted rappin or sellin drugs that n*gga Jay still rich.
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|11-09-2007, 11:13 AM||#14|
crooked cops and Italian drug dealers
I THOUGHT IN THE MOVIE HE ONLY GAVE UP CROOKED COPS I ANIT KNOW HE GAVE UP INTALIAN DRUG DEALERS TOO
70 YEARS IS A LONG TIME BUT HOW THE HELL THEY TOOK DOWN FRANK LUCAS I THOUGHT THEY HAD NO REAL PROOF ON HIM I THINK THIS STORY GOES DEEPER THAN WHATS GOING ON
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i'll be honest that whole jay-z verse doesnt even make any fu*king sense ... "im more frank lucas then ludacris?" , "frank lucas is cool but i aint tryin ta snitch" ...
that sh*t makes no sense .... its a throwaway line ... like i know its refering to something but seriously , no one would know whats really going on ..