dmunson318 said they're not but they got caught so..........

Sooooooooo....What's your point? Isn't it over with at this point? We're still seeing this bullsh*t on TV right now because of that Senator who is wasting tax payer's money flying this idiot in to come talk to him about something that's not going to make any difference

I love how it always turn to.

"What if"
"How do you know"
"There could be"
You never know if"

Yea lets all make a*sumptions and pass them on as facts. I love how people say "How do you know they wouldn't have lost" As if a blurry VHS can make Brady the best QB of this era. As if Moss sucked his whole career and a dvd he burned on Bellichick's computer taught him to run routes and catch balls.

all those things you named are minuscule compared to what the patriots did. wtf dont you get? pats recorded everything from clock management to defensive signals. but dont believe the players or the coaches who tell you that this is bad

imo stealing hand signals is okay, but breaking down a teams time management and situational schemes in "practice" is fu*king cheating. you might as well hand them your playbook too! i can see if they studied "game film" and got their edge from there because thats fair game, but you don't record a teams practice and walk thru's. only way i see that being fair is if they gave the rams and other teams the permission to do the same. and yeah i said this was on the same level as bonds and clemens because you can take all the balco u want, but u still have to connect the bat with the ball and judge a players hot zones. if you give 11 athletes info where to be at the right time where's the strategy in that?

beantown85 said Sooooooooo....What's your point? Isn't it over with at this point? We're still seeing this bullsh*t on TV right now because of that Senator who is wasting tax payer's money flying this idiot in to come talk to him about something that's not going to make any difference

the point is that u need to accept the fact that your team cheated their way into the super bowl countless times and didn't even need to. fu*king up history and placing judgement on the best game known to man, but if you're fine with that then to each is own. accept that sh*t playboy and move on, i accept when n*ggas throw the saints only won two playoff games every argument because that sh*t is true, so accept your team being labled as cheaters. you can't erase what they are.

lmao how the fu*k u gon give me hate & say:

"who cares what u think ur not even a real sports fan u got like 5 different teams 2 basketball teams 2 football teams who are u really repping bro "

who cares what i think??? if u dont care what others think why post this??? u mad cuz i shutdown all the sh*t u said?? the funny thing is, u didnt even say this, u copy & pasted, lol...grow up & face it...none of the sh*t u listed(which was stolen from somebody else, lol u just like bellicheck, ) is on the same level as what the pats did


& for the last time, my teams r the dolphins & the lakers...but i rep hometeams too, cant hate on my home

beantown85 said This is getting off topic but of course it was a fumble... tahts why they changed the rule afterwards. But the fact of the matter was that going strictly by the rule, then yea it was a forward pass if you really break down the rule that much... Pats still had to come back and win that game with 2 rediculous vinatieri kicks

I don't know exactly how the rule is broken down that's why I bring it up any time I can! The way I see it, Brady's left hand touched the ball so there is no way he was still in the motion of throwing the ball!!! Woodson hit him, ball comes out Biekert recovers...

How Do I Teach These Keeeeeeeeeeedddsssss!!!

danny2132 said Like I said in the other forum...it really dont matter if they knew what plays to call, they still had to make the plays, they did and they won...and whos to say that they didnt have someone stealing signs in this years superbowl, the only difference is they didnt make the plays and they lost...the only thing they are guilty of is getting caught, most teams do things to have an edge, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt, but thats why they play the games....if it was such an advantage why did they only win each superbowl by 3 points, they would have murdered those teams if they had that much of an advantage...

So because they only won by 3 points, means it wasnt that much an advantage...

So lets go through winning 12 games in the regular season, and 4 or 5 in the playoffs, including the big one...

So knowing your opponents, signals, formations, audibles, situation in which they call certain plays... that means nothing?

typical boxden..full of haters

most teams change signals every game, sometimes even in between quarters

it's not illegal to steal signals..the position of the cameras is what got the patriots fined

$ is Me said The giants aint on that list for cheating

OWNED

they still cheated and got caught so uhhhh there you have it. in the end karma fu*ked them at the perfect time.

who cares, whatever happens, the patriots are going to have the mental "asterisk" in people's heads when they are discussing the patriots team of the 2000 decade.

i just wish espn and people would move on about it. people who think the pats are right are always gonna think that, people who thing the pats cheated will always think that.

"you play to win the game!!"

tommymm96 said typical boxden..full of haters most teams change signals every game, sometimes even in between quarters it's not illegal to steal signals..the position of the cameras is what got the patriots fined

its not even about just the signals


its about knowing "on 3rd & 6, when ___________(insert team) lines up in the I formation wit 3 wrs, they usually run ________________, but when they r in the redzone they use that formation but they do this ___________"

& the same goes for defensive packages & plays, zones, blitzes all of that

little sh*t like that, its having more then reasonable knowledge of tendancies...

casper said its not even about just the signals its about knowing "on 3rd & 6, when ___________(insert team) lines up in the I formation wit 3 wrs, they usually run ________________, but when they r in the redzone they use that formation but they do this ___________" & the same goes for defensive packages & plays, zones, blitzes all of that little sh*t like that, its having more then reasonable knowledge of tendancies...

my point exactly