Never knew this. The more you know.

KdenIII said Further solidifying that Nas is better

does nas give organized konfusion credit for the i gave you power concept?

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Never liked Jay Z a day in my life. In my Pac voice fu*k Jay Z

Bigcredit007 said Never liked Jay Z a day in my life. In my Pac voice fu*k Jay Z

Pac bit Nas and didn't give him credit

sh*t gets quiet when facts come out

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I mean you can look at it two ways.... either Jay-Z raps and respects your knowledge as a hip hop fan to already know where da references or interpolation come from so what's understood doesn't have to be explained.. (" I'm a writer
For myself and others
I say a B.I.G. verse I'm only biggin' up my brother
Biggin' up my borough
I'm big enough to do it
I'm that thorough
Plus I know my own flow is foolish"

Or Jay-Z isn't as nice as people think...

It think its more da former than da latter.....

Rap is a genre that constantly self-references itself and breaks its own fourth wall so in my conclusion this is a nothing burger.

Its said This is just another thing digital black faces can come on here and throw shade over. It doesn't have to make sense or anything like that lol

This lol

Ninjahood said I mean you can look at it two ways.... either Jay-Z raps and respects your knowledge as a hip hop fan to already know where da references or interpolation come from so what's understood doesn't have to be explained.. (" I'm a writer For myself and others I say a B.I.G. verse I'm only biggin' up my brother Biggin' up my borough I'm big enough to do it I'm that thorough Plus I know my own flow is foolish" Or Jay-Z isn't as nice as people think... It think its more da former than da latter..... Rap is a genre that constantly self-references itself and breaks its own fourth wall so in my conclusion this is a nothing burger.

Or C: Jay Z didn't invent this and Ice T himself did it to Schooly D way before jay

EZ Green said Or C: Jay Z didn't invent this and Ice T himself did it to Schooly D way before jay

Hence rap constantly self referencing itself.

Ninjahood said Hence rap constantly self referencing itself.

True, but an important factor that is being overlooked is that ice t did the same thing himself. And as far as I know he didn't pay or give Schooly any writers credit

Mike T said Damn, its Jay season. By the time Jay is 60 theres going to be a shady stroy about every aspect of his life. I use to fu*k with Ice more. But lately im finding out he was a groomer/borderline pedo. To one of his kids moms. I listen to the corey holcomb podcast shes a host, Darlene Ortiz she said They met when she was 17. But they waited until she was 18 to date. I wanna give Ice the benefit, that he was like. I am going to honor you my lady & wait until midnight on your 18th view image

Slapped..

Bzp said I feel ice-t for keeping it real, but Hov isn’t the dude just to be talking to the internet all the time. I’m sure if he was a lot jewels and stories likes this would come up more.

Nah you're right, Instead Hov is the type of dude to use his influence/connections to rewrite the narratives of sh*t.

sideline said And??? Are you mad that homophobia is on a decline?

Womp womp womp..... you wanna troll? then so will i

Where did I say I was scared of the line? Did i say anything extreme? Was my question irrational in any way? Did I point out anything fearful or proclaim any aversion to said fear?

How is it a phobia... one could say the LGBT community has gelotophobia...

EZ Green said True, but an important factor that is being overlooked is that ice t did the same thing himself. And as far as I know he didn't pay or give Schooly any writers credit

Maybe not on a record, but he's definitely payed homage to schooly D in podcast form... I remember vividly him giving credit where credit was due in a very early episode of Juan Epstein podcast with Rosenberg and Cypha sounds talking about his rap origins and taking that schooly D record to da west and using its embers to spark west coast gangsta rap.

Whys Boxden hate I mean so jealous of this man?

Ninjahood said Maybe not on a record, but he's definitely payed homage to schooly D in podcast form... I remember vividly him giving credit where credit was due in a very early episode of Juan Epstein podcast with Rosenberg and Cypha sounds talking about his rap origins and taking that schooly D record to da west and using its embers to spark west coast gangsta rap.

You're right he definitely acknowledged Schooly, Idk how long it took him to do that lol, but he did.

I'm guessing ice feels a way because 99 problems is basically ONLY a*sociated with Jay, and considering the song was a hit he feels he deserves a few more props. I can't be mad at that.

Ninjahood said Maybe not on a record, but he's definitely payed homage to schooly D in podcast form... I remember vividly him giving credit where credit was due in a very early episode of Juan Epstein podcast with Rosenberg and Cypha sounds talking about his rap origins and taking that schooly D record to da west and using its embers to spark west coast gangsta rap.

I have so many questions.

So to follow your logic Jay Z paying for the usage of the sample but not giving "credit" to Ice T is worse than not paying for a sample but mentioning it on a podcast that 5 people probably heard. I have that right? Can Schooly pay any bills with this podcast credit, is it like Crypto or somthin? If Jay mentions Ice T on a podcast does that make everything ok?

Fameus said I have so many questions. So to follow your logic [B]Jay Z paying for the usage of the sample but not giving "credit" to Ice T is worse than not paying for a sample but mentioning it on a podcast that 5 people probably heard. I have that right?

Its not my logic, im describing da situation from ICE- T's point of view.

-what iced t is referencing is actually culturally & courtesy..

-He's framing his critique in terms of heralding respecting its origins.... its a taste and courteous things vs a monetary scenerio...

-ICE-T's point of view only has some validity since when you sign over rights for your IP to be used in other ways, you kinda give up da right to gripe about it it id doesn't live up to your expectations...

If you seen Vlad TVs interview with AZ da drug dealer and how he felt disgruntled with da process of how his intellectual property rights were bought by new line Cinema and adapted to a way where he wasn't all the way satisfied with its results, its da same idea...

Actor who played AZ in a follow up Vlad TV interview explains that once you sign over your rights can't really gripe about creative control or how much of a how much paying homage/Tribute is enough to fit your satisfaction.

Sure you paid me for work, but don't act like i dont exist either in its creative process when you make it a hit record....is his point.

Like i said before, jigga been doing this...its something people do in rap, some people have a flavour for it, some people find it unsavoury...its a taste thing.

Btw, Juan Epstein is probably da 1st rap podcast ever...u might wanna give it its proper due....

Fameus said Whys Boxden hate I mean so jealous of this man?

There's always been a contingent of rap fans outside boxden and in this forum that felt like Jay-Z didn't properly earn it his place among raps pantheon....

Some of it has some validity considering he was faking his notoriety early on when no one really cared about Jay-Z outside his core base (1996-1997) others will say he never really had his own year which also has some validity...

Jay-z's superpower has always been his enduring durability as being consistently good for a very long set of time...he basically outlasted a good portion of his counterparts...

Has he been unquestionably da king of raps in any year? I don't think so but does he earn his place has one of raps greats? absolutely.

EZ Green said You're right he definitely acknowledged Schooly, Idk how long it took him to do that lol, but he did. I'm guessing ice feels a way because 99 problems is basically ONLY a*sociated with Jay, and considering the song was a hit he feels he deserves a few more props. I can't be mad at that.

Bingo.

That's always been a downside in letting people sample your work because if they do a better job your original essentially becomes Lost in time as a footnote....

Also time stops for no one so people are born everyday will hear da newer version da label is putting money to pump over da OG.... I'll give you an example EPMD first album strictly business is never spoken of in this era but if you play it front to back it's got so much original samples that rap acts from da '90s used and are more a*sociated with...

Let da Funk flow been out a decade+ before Nas sampled it for Nastrdamus but ill always a*sociate da track with esco because its where i heard it first....

Badnewz100 said Yea he definitely shook NY Undercover up, never was the same and he had long game against Malik character

That long game is what I'm talking about...How you sent a bi*ch at him to snatch up his wiz and his seed God?!?!

Nah that n*gga should give a master class in villainy

awww said Jay z such a bi*ch, and im tired of you n*ggas opening jay z a*s to lick the insides and then sucking jay z d*ck from the back. yall n*ggas so nasty with yall d*ck riding a*ses

jesus christ this is graphic

Definitely not your friend homie

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Outrage over nuthin. You goofies act like hooks haven’t been borrowed for other songs throughout the entirety of hip hop. This instance wasn’t like some underhanded secret.

EZ Green said You're right he definitely acknowledged Schooly, Idk how long it took him to do that lol, but he did. I'm guessing ice feels a way because 99 problems is basically ONLY a*sociated with Jay, and considering the song was a hit he feels he deserves a few more props. I can't be mad at that.

Jay paid the man for the usage of his hook. He’s not obligated to ensure his track isn’t more popular than Ice-T’s. They’re two entirely different songs minus the hook. No one remembers the lyrics to Ice T’s track because it wasn’t as impactful as Jay’s.

No one has to go out telling everyone who they sampled. Check the credits

amws82 said Ice T should get song writing credits and residuals. Trinidad James is listed for a writer on Uptown Funk for the line "don't believe me just watch"

They gonna defend who they want by any means.