No one has to go out telling everyone who they sampled. Check the credits

amws82 said Ice T should get song writing credits and residuals. Trinidad James is listed for a writer on Uptown Funk for the line "don't believe me just watch"

They gonna defend who they want by any means.

SimpinAintEz said Jay paid the man for the usage of his hook. He’s not obligated to ensure his track isn’t more popular than Ice-T’s. They’re two entirely different songs minus the hook. No one remembers the lyrics to Ice T’s track because it wasn’t as impactful as Jay’s.

If you read my comments in here besides the one you replied to. You'll realize you're preaching to the choir

Theprodigalone said Giving credit where u got the concept from very simple

Yea, it's called "in writing", in the album credits. Which is where you'll see ice t's name

EZ Green said If you read my comments in here besides the one you replied to. You'll realize you're preaching to the choir

Well if your other comments are contrary to the one I responded to then, intentionally or not, you’re coming off contradictory.

SimpinAintEz said Well if your other comments are contrary to the one I responded to then, intentionally or not, you’re coming off contradictory.

If you say so. I call it being objective

Ninjahood said Its not my logic, im describing da situation from ICE- T's point of view. -what iced t is referencing is actually culturally & courtesy.. -He's framing his critique in terms of heralding respecting its origins.... its a taste and courteous things vs a monetary scenerio... -ICE-T's point of view only has some validity since when you sign over rights for your IP to be used in other ways, you kinda give up da right to gripe about it it id doesn't live up to your expectations... If you seen Vlad TVs interview with AZ da drug dealer and how he felt disgruntled with da process of how his intellectual property rights were bought by new line Cinema and adapted to a way where he wasn't all the way satisfied with its results, its da same idea... Actor who played AZ in a follow up Vlad TV interview explains that once you sign over your rights can't really gripe about creative control or how much of a how much paying homage/Tribute is enough to fit your satisfaction. Sure you paid me for work, but don't act like i dont exist either in its creative process when you make it a hit record....is his point. Like i said before, jigga been doing this...its something people do in rap, some people have a flavour for it, some people find it unsavoury...its a taste thing. Btw, Juan Epstein is probably da 1st rap podcast ever...u might wanna give it its proper due.... There's always been a contingent of rap fans outside boxden and in this forum that felt like Jay-Z didn't properly earn it his place among raps pantheon.... Some of it has some validity considering he was faking his notoriety early on when no one really cared about Jay-Z outside his core base (1996-1997) others will say he never really had his own year which also has some validity... Jay-z's superpower has always been his enduring durability as being consistently good for a very long set of time...he basically outlasted a good portion of his counterparts... Has he been unquestionably da king of raps in any year? I don't think so but does he earn his place has one of raps greats? absolutely. Bingo. That's always been a downside in letting people sample your work because if they do a better job your original essentially becomes Lost in time as a footnote.... Also time stops for no one so people are born everyday will hear da newer version da label is putting money to pump over da OG.... I'll give you an example EPMD first album strictly business is never spoken of in this era but if you play it front to back it's got so much original samples that rap acts from da '90s used and are more a*sociated with... Let da Funk flow been out a decade+ before Nas sampled it for Nastrdamus but ill always a*sociate da track with esco because its where i heard it first....

No no it is most definitely your point of view. You said he "payed homage" on a platform most likely besides you and Ciph and the other guy nobody else heard. "credit where credit is due" is your feeling. Explain to me how that financially helps the man out? A " I dont care if its the first theres a reason those two got relegated to podcast life. Model T existed too i could care less about that. Can you find me a secret podcast where Schooly says man that meant a lot to me? We don't have that. We have you saying its enough.

Ice-T and his producer DJ Aladdin (Alphonso Henderson) were credited with writing the song, which earned them composer credits on Jay-Z's version as well, which was a nice payout for royalties.

What more does Ice-T want he actually got credit and financial compensation.

All Ice is displaying is his jealousy and thats ok, but thats what it is. It would burn me up too if he did that but keep it a buck.

It would never be enough even if he took out a billboard.

Did Dolly ever stomp her feet and say Whitney didn't pay "homage"? Nope she's not a whiny bi*ch.

Fameus said No no it is most definitely your point of view. You said he "payed homage" on a platform most likely besides you and Ciph and the other guy nobody else heard. "credit where credit is due" is your feeling. Explain to me how that financially helps the man out? A

Da problem is you think creative credit is less of notch then something contractually.

ICE-T paid homage , that a objective fact... He didn't directly sample schooly D so there's no money that needs to be exchanged...

For some people it ain't just about da money.... gestures also matter to folk, it is what it is.

Ninjahood said Da problem is you think creative credit is less of notch then something contractually. ICE-T paid homage , that a objective fact... He didn't directly sample schooly D so there's no money that needs to be exchanged... For some people it ain't just about da money.... gestures also matter to folk, it is what it is.

Thought so.

Theprodigalone said Giving credit where u got the concept from very simple

First thing, he didn’t get the concept for the song from Ice T. He got the hook. That’s like saying he got the concept for dead presidents from Nas. Secondly Did you ever bother looking at the song credits? Ice T is credited as a writer on the song…. Maybe I’m slow but crediting someone as a writer on a song is giving credit for their contribution.

and ice t asked schoolly d before he bit his song?

This has been known. Jigga actually went in twice twice from this song to make his songs.

MPC_Pase said First thing, he didn’t get the concept for the song from Ice T. He got the hook. That’s like saying he got the concept for dead presidents from Nas. Secondly Did you ever bother looking at the song credits? Ice T is credited as a writer on the song…. Maybe I’m slow but crediting someone as a writer on a song is giving credit for their contribution.

Wow in the fine print give credit where u got the idea from as far as the hook without ice t the song wouldn't even be alive and the verses was structured around problems hov had so yes he got it from ice t what's wrong with hov saying i did it over from a ice t song damn yall niqqaz is weird always defending hov what's wrong with giving simple props smh yall niqqaz is crazy

MPC_Pase said First thing, he didn’t get the concept for the song from Ice T. He got the hook. That’s like saying he got the concept for dead presidents from Nas. Secondly Did you ever bother looking at the song credits? Ice T is credited as a writer on the song…. Maybe I’m slow but crediting someone as a writer on a song is giving credit for their contribution.

Wow in the fine print. give credit where u got the idea from. as far as the hook without ice t the song wouldn't even be alive and the verses was structured around problems hov had so yes he got it from ice t what's wrong with hov saying i did it over from a ice t song damn yall niqqaz is weird always defending hov what's wrong with giving simple props smh yall niqqaz is crazy

EZ Green said If you say so. I call it being objective

“…considering the song was a hit he feels he deserves a few more props. I can't be mad at that”

If you’re telling me you said something counter to this position in your previous posts, that’s objectively known as a contradiction.

SimpinAintEz said “…considering the song was a hit he feels he deserves a few more props. I can't be mad at that” If you’re telling me you said something counter to this position in your previous posts, that’s objectively known as a contradiction.

If i say both sides have a point. Thats choosing to be objective. Life isnt black and white all the time

ym7171yea said Being with a 18 year old is pedophilia now?

By legal definition no,but um....

EZ Green said If i say both sides have a point. Thats choosing to be objective. Life isnt black and white all the time

That’s just you fence sitting. If one is right about the same topic, how can the other also be right?

You might as well be saying “fine people on both sides”.

It’s should be “I can see where the other is coming from BUT (fill in right position)”.

SimpinAintEz said That’s just you fence sitting. If one is right about the same topic, how can the other also be right? It’s should be “I can see where the other is coming from BUT (fill in right position)”.

If you read all of my replies youd have more understanding. But you clearly didnt. Get back to me when you do

EZ Green said If you read all of my replies youd have more understanding. But you clearly didnt. Get back to me when you do

You literally just told me you see how both have a point and I addressed that position. What is it I’m missing?

SimpinAintEz said You literally just told me you see how both have a point and I addressed that position. What is it I’m missing?

The fact that its possible? lol

Theprodigalone said Wow in the fine print. give credit where u got the idea from. as far as the hook without ice t the song wouldn't even be alive and the verses was structured around problems hov had so yes he got it from ice t what's wrong with hov saying i did it over from a ice t song damn yall niqqaz is weird always defending hov what's wrong with giving simple props smh yall niqqaz is crazy

The song credits are the fine print? Being credited as a writer on the song is the only place that it maters.

Where is Jay supposed to make this earth altering pronouncement?

You're stretching to say the two songs are the same outside of the hook... I'm not defending Hov because he didn't do anything wrong. Ice T just wanted his ego stroked.

Cats hate for Jay is so deep that they try to find faults in sh*t that he does just because its him.

Just like they did to Beyonce over the Kelis thing. Kelis acted like Beyonce owed her something when the truth of the matter is that they didn't sample her, they did an interpolation of a song that Kelis didn't own the rights to BUT Still gave her writers credit which would have earned her publishing that she wasn't even earning on the original song she was bi*ching about.

MPC_Pase said The song credits are the fine print? Being credited as a writer on the song is the only place that it maters. Where is Jay supposed to make this earth altering pronouncement? You're stretching to say the two songs are the same outside of the hook... I'm not defending Hov because he didn't do anything wrong. Ice T just wanted his ego stroked. Cats hate for Jay is so deep that they try to find faults in sh*t that he does just because its him. Just like they did to Beyonce over the Kelis thing. Kelis acted like Beyonce owed her something when the truth of the matter is that they didn't sample her, they did an interpolation of a song that Kelis didn't own the rights to BUT Still gave her writers credit which would have earned her publishing that she wasn't even earning on the original song she was bi*ching about.

Wow yall love defending hov thats the problem and hov is my favorite there is nothing wrong with saying shout out to ice t where i the idea for the hook came from very simple and kelis just wanted a shout out for using her material but beyonce stay taking people music without permission i swear this must be a new thing not giving people they props i never said the songs sound the same all i said was give credit where its do period

EZ Green said The fact that its possible? lol

The fact is, it’s also possible to be contradictory, as is the case here.

SimpinAintEz said The fact is, it’s also possible to be contradictory, as is the case here.

Oh so it is possible? You were making it seem like it wasn't. Glad we're on the same page now