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 2 weeks ago '12        #51
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 two-face said
@ no race bs. Calling some one a racidt is racism itself. Please clean up this section and all the f*ggy liberals ruining your site.
 Binary said
This is major league retarded.

Trump Jr’s testimony conflicts Cohen’s in regards of the timeline.

And who cares? Are we going to act like we didn’t know trump is in the business of global real estate? He has towers all over the world,
Canada, India, etc, but Russia is special?

And re read the head line. He Planned to put a hotel there, but never did.

Keyword never did. Meaning he didn’t do it.

So what’s the issue? There wouldn’t even be an issue cause there’s no fu*king reason why he cant have a hotel or penthouse in any country, cause he’s a worldwide business man.

You guys are desperately looking for anything at this point

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 2 weeks ago '04        #52
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 2 weeks ago '04        #53
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 dubsax said
This is why to divest before you run, to eliminate conflicts of interest, if there was nothing wrong why lie in the first place.

Second this gives motive for obstruction.

Lastly conspiracy only needs a plan of action, whether or not that action took place makes no difference. According to the time line he actively pursued business dealings with sanctioned individuals after he started his campaign.
What did you expect from a guy who got beat out by a immigrant at a window tinting job

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 2 weeks ago '08        #54
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 DiegoRivera said
Lol there are a million threads that can contextualize this at this point, let alone the ways in which reality can contextualize it

6 months into his presidency, and after he'd been briefed by all US intelligence agencies (who gathered information from intelligence agencies on a global level) that Russia conclusively cyber-attacked the United States intentiinally, the man had plans to give Vladimir Putin a $50M suite in a Moscow Trump tower he'd been anticipating for decades, one that could pull in crazy money if certain sanctions got lifted. So let's recap.

1) The man still oversaw his business while in office, which is a no-no for the very simple fact that he could get comprimised by whatever business interests
2) He oversaw business with a hostile government fresh off of attacking the US. Now revist point #1 and understand the concept of leverage.
3) Most importantly, he lied about it 100%. Let's,not forget these arguments devolved from "I didn't do business with Russia, no one I know is doing business with Russia, I don't know Putin, I have nothing to do with Russia"
4) How many indictments, guilty pleas, and arrests are we at now?

Have fun coming up with your response, I'm sure it's gonna be unpredictable.
6 months into his presidency, and after he'd been briefed by all US intelligence agencies (who gathered information from intelligence agencies on a global level) that Russia conclusively cyber-attacked the United States intentiinally


^not conclusive the timeline from CNN (who actually does NOT want to make Trump look good) still is honest about stating that these were BELIEFS, so no. Not conclusive. And if you think that hackers from a country attempting to access a machine is particular, then check here:



I'm familiar with. FireEye. Their numbers of attack shown are VERY Conservative and today since 12AM it has been 408,821 attacks (successful or not is another story)

the man had plans to give Vladimir Putin a $50M suite in a Moscow Trump tower he'd been anticipating for decades, one that could pull in crazy money if certain sanctions got lifted. So let's recap.
I give you my respect for stating ACTUAL facts. It was a business dealing plan

1) The man still oversaw his business while in office, which is a no-no for the very simple fact that he could get comprimised by whatever business interests
That's true, however: as a business entity. How efficiently would you pull the plug after doing business for over 30 years and have several plates spinning? Overseeing several business avenues and mitigating processes afterwards for a proper way of delegating is a project in and of itself. He ran for office. You can't automatically start the process when you run for presidency not knowing if you would be elected or not. To add, this won't line up with any accusations of nefarious business dealings linked with an election supposedly won via some form of internal agreement. Here we can both agree that overseeing his businesses while in office was placing him in a vulnerable position, so it doesn't apply here

2) He oversaw business with a hostile government fresh off of attacking the US. Now revist point #1 and understand the concept of leverage.
I wouldn't do that. This is a bland statement that has no solid backing. You may refer to my response at the top.

3) Most importantly, he lied about it 100%. Let's,not forget these arguments devolved from "I didn't do business with Russia, no one I know is doing business with Russia, I don't know Putin, I have nothing to do with Russia"
he sure did lie. But he also told the truth:

planning to do business
actually doing business

are two different things:

Doing business refers as: carrying on the normal activities of a business entity, whether it is a corporation, LLC, partnership, or sole proprietorship

He would have been more clear had he said "I did not do any business transactions with Russia.


4) How many indictments, guilty pleas, and arrests are we at now?
several, yep. How many of those provide evidence or bring about the final 2 year awaited proof? Here is the purpose of the investigation:


The ongoing Special Counsel investigation is a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere, with primary focus on the 2016 presidential election. This investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

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 2 weeks ago '15        #55
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 DiegoRivera said




I'm having too much fun today



Broooooooo
NY don’t want his a.ss back. Hopefully he saves a condo for himself in Moscow. That’ll be the only place his a.ss is welcome

 2 weeks ago '15        #56
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 Juliette DaBlok said
Wow u struggling over there for real
Yeah I told y’all this guy is the biggest phony & fraud on here... he’s got nothing of substance ever. On here crying for Ronnie to clean up racist sh*t while calling people f*gs... meanwhile his homeboy bangs transvestites & smokes meth
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 2 weeks ago '12        #57
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 DiegoRivera said




I'm having too much fun today



Broooooooo
Don't tell me he's not running in 2020.
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 2 weeks ago '06        #58
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 Binary said
Exactly Obama Bowed down to them like a bi*ch lol.

The point was, no deal ever happened with trump and real estate in Russia and Trump has done nothing to give Russia any sort of deal like Obama gave to Iran
I mean...they had to cut their access to nuclear fuel-related research and development capabilities by like...90% lol, the rest of the world definitely got quite a bit out of it.

Shame they're once again free to develop nuclear weapons since Trump k!lled the deal...

If you really think about it...Trump was the one who let them keep all that money with nothing in return. Once he k!lled the deal, they got back everything they gave up.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #59
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 Binary said
Where does it say a president can no longer over see his business? He overturned it to Trump JR

He didn’t oversee business in Russia, Cohen allegedly said this, trump jrs testimony refutes this.

How many of them are related to Russian collusion ? Zero.
Article 1 section 9 clause 8 of the constitution.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #60
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 flav said
sup bi*ch



Sater told BuzzFeed News today that he and Cohen thought giving the Trump Tower’s most luxurious apartment, a $50 million penthouse, to Putin would entice other wealthy buyers to purchase their own. “In Russia, the oligarchs would bend over backwards to live in the same building as Vladimir Putin,” Sater told BuzzFeed News. “My idea was to give a $50 million penthouse to Putin and charge $250 million more for the rest of the units. All the oligarchs would line up to live in the same building as Putin.” A second source confirmed the plan.

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50 million penthouse invested to expect 250 million in return back


sounds more like a money making strategy than any "collUsion"


your OWN articles should be read in depth before running away with the damn title but according to you, that's me "trying to show how smart I am"

nah n*gga, I just so happen to READ
What? You're just making up something I said to reply to. You realize that right? Lmao @ you making a counter point to an argument you made up.

 2 weeks ago '17        #61
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 Binary said
Trump didn’t give Russia any deal like Obama gave Iran the right to make nuclear power plus billions in cash.


Holy sh*t you’re more retarded than I thought

Obama didn't make any deal close to what you just stated. How can you discuss politics when you don't even know what's going on in the world?
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 2 weeks ago '06        #62
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 dubsax said
Article 1 section 9 clause 8 of the constitution.
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 2 weeks ago '18        #63
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 2 weeks ago '18        #64
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 dubsax said
Article 1 section 9 clause 8 of the constitution.
Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8. No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State.



Where does it say trump cannot have his name on buildings as a license?
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 2 weeks ago '15        #65
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Man Michael Cohen up in there Singing!!!


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 2 weeks ago '07        #66
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dude said calling some one racist is racist...so you calling ronnie a racist for kicking racist off..Im mean Im sure he calls em racist before booting them...I mean if you trolls need help trolling I can put you into a more logical approach for a small fee...let me get some of that trump campaign $$ too fam whats good?

 2 weeks ago '13        #67
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 flav said


^not conclusive the timeline from CNN (who actually does NOT want to make Trump look good) still is honest about stating that these were BELIEFS, so no. Not conclusive. And if you think that hackers from a country attempting to access a machine is particular, then check here:



I'm familiar with. FireEye. Their numbers of attack shown are VERY Conservative and today since 12AM it has been 408,821 attacks (successful or not is another story)



I give you my respect for stating ACTUAL facts. It was a business dealing plan



That's true, however: as a business entity. How efficiently would you pull the plug after doing business for over 30 years and have several plates spinning? Overseeing several business avenues and mitigating processes afterwards for a proper way of delegating is a project in and of itself. He ran for office. You can't automatically start the process when you run for presidency not knowing if you would be elected or not. To add, this won't line up with any accusations of nefarious business dealings linked with an election supposedly won via some form of internal agreement. Here we can both agree that overseeing his businesses while in office was placing him in a vulnerable position, so it doesn't apply here



I wouldn't do that. This is a bland statement that has no solid backing. You may refer to my response at the top.


he sure did lie. But he also told the truth:

planning to do business
actually doing business

are two different things:

Doing business refers as: carrying on the normal activities of a business entity, whether it is a corporation, LLC, partnership, or sole proprietorship

He would have been more clear had he said "I did not do any business transactions with Russia.




several, yep. How many of those provide evidence or bring about the final 2 year awaited proof? Here is the purpose of the investigation:


The ongoing Special Counsel investigation is a United States law enforcement and counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere, with primary focus on the 2016 presidential election. This investigation includes any possible links or coordination between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Russian government, "and any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

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You got slaps from folks but I have to say thanks for breaking things down, providing links, and looking at this all,in a nuanced way. That's all I ask for on this site. When I disagree with someone I'd rather they didn't approach me like a fu*king oaf.

That said, time will tell. I follow a lot of lawyers, politicians, and ex members of the intelligence community and they all seem to smell something really really, historically fishy. Right now what's public record may not satisfy you as proof. You seem to be looking for an airtight case. And I know that us in the public only know a fraction.

One thing I will say is we're talking about a collective of liars, some with longstanding ties to the mob, we have a man (Donald) with a history of failed businesses who can't get a loan in the US and you have a lie that started as a very avid objection and got wittled down to a "so what if we did?" Just the aversion to complete transparency alone smells fishy to me. And if you were to pick Trump's side, you would have to then subscribe to a whole school of thought that just sounds insane.

Do I take the word of a proven liar who lies on air in real time and contradicts himself within seconds let alone days, weeks, or years and who aligns himself with conspiracy theorists who say anything the second they are backed into a corner.

The man who has twice proposed firing a special counsel he calls corrupt, who is simply doing his job as an FBI Director, war veteran, who took down Gotti, the Gambinos, Enron, and Noreiga. Am I going to just take Trump's word that this guy is a madman out to slander him? Or do I simply a.ssume Trump has had something to hide this whole time and he feels sh*t getting ready to hit the fan?
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 2 weeks ago '08        #68
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 Ymmot said
What? You're just making up something I said to reply to. You realize that right? Lmao @ you making a counter point to an argument you made up.
Thread title says Trump planned to give $50M TT Moscow Penthouse to Putin DURING the election

You then summon me out of nowhere "@flav, what's good, little puppet?"

I reply to you IN REFERENCE TO THE THREAD that you SUMMONED me about and




... I'm making up something ?








you ARE stupid
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 2 weeks ago '08        #69
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 DiegoRivera said
You got slaps from folks but I have to say thanks for breaking things down, providing links, and looking at this all,in a nuanced way. That's all I ask for on this site. When I disagree with someone I'd rather they didn't approach me like a fu*king oaf.

That said, time will tell. I follow a lot of lawyers, politicians, and ex members of the intelligence community and they all seem to smell something really really, historically fishy. Right now what's public record may not satisfy you as proof. You seem to be looking for an airtight case. And I know that us in the public only know a fraction.

One thing I will say is we're talking about a collective of liars, some with longstanding ties to the mob, we have a man (Donald) with a history of failed businesses who can't get a loan in the US and you have a lie that started as a very avid objection and got wittled down to a "so what if we did?" Just the aversion to complete transparency alone smells fishy to me. And if you were to pick Trump's side, you would have to then subscribe to a whole school of thought that just sounds insane.

Do I take the word of a proven liar who lies on air in real time and contradicts himself within seconds let alone days, weeks, or years and who aligns himself with conspiracy theorists who say anything the second they are backed into a corner.

The man who has twice proposed firing a special counsel he calls corrupt, who is simply doing his job as an FBI Director, war veteran, who took down Gotti, the Gambinos, Enron, and Noreiga. Am I going to just take Trump's word that this guy is a madman out to slander him? Or do I simply a.ssume Trump has had something to hide this whole time and he feels sh*t getting ready to hit the fan?
same here brah. It is refreshing to have counter arguments and being able to express them in a way we can actually communicate.

Trump is no angel. I am absolutely not clinging onto him or his administration. Would I trust the guy with my most prized stuff? Absolutely not. I don't and never took his word as prophecy.

My thing is that people here jump the gun and make completely weird statements as prophecy that has no logical background, and you were the only one who actually was discussing. Guess what? I'm not disagreeing with you at all. If most people here could take away the weird personal attacks, they would be surprised that we actually see eye to eye on a LOT of things, but they just are not mature.

My position (from the jump) is straightforward: People who do crimes will have to be dealt with, if evidence ever emerges that he actually conspired with Russia who then placed some kind of process which indeed led to his election win, i'll be right there with you denouncing that, and i'll keep that same energy, as long as he (and his team) are proven to be guilty. Until then, we can only speculate and use logic & critical thinking in the meantime, which is the best course of action.

Your points make sense, i wouldn't trust a liar who knows how to talk himself in and out of things. If Mueller's investigation shows election theft, we should lock his azz up. If the investigation exonerates him, everyone should leave him alone

until then, time will tell
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 2 weeks ago '04        #70
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 flav said
same here brah. It is refreshing to have counter arguments and being able to express them in a way we can actually communicate.

Trump is no angel. I am absolutely not clinging onto him or his administration. Would I trust the guy with my most prized stuff? Absolutely not. I don't and never took his word as prophecy.

My thing is that people here jump the gun and make completely weird statements as prophecy that has no logical background, and you were the only one who actually was discussing. Guess what? I'm not disagreeing with you at all. If most people here could take away the weird personal attacks, they would be surprised that we actually see eye to eye on a LOT of things, but they just are not mature.

My position (from the jump) is straightforward: People who do crimes will have to be dealt with, if evidence ever emerges that he actually conspired with Russia who then placed some kind of process which indeed led to his election win, i'll be right there with you denouncing that, and i'll keep that same energy, as long as he (and his team) are proven to be guilty. Until then, we can only speculate and use logic & critical thinking in the meantime, which is the best course of action.

Your points make sense, i wouldn't trust a liar who knows how to talk himself in and out of things. If Mueller's investigation shows election theft, we should lock his azz up. If the investigation exonerates him, everyone should leave him alone

until then, time will tell
You’re denying reality or you’re extremely obtuse, anyone who looks at this trump debacle objectively can see it for what it is.
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 2 weeks ago '08        #71
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 Hakim Cobain said
You’re denying reality or you’re extremely obtuse, anyone who looks at this trump debacle objectively can see it for what it is.
Again. We can speculate all day. All i'm saying is that people make a LOT of noise without themselves showing any actual evidence. I'm saying let's use the actual facts to discuss, and logically break it down with critical thinking on top of that

seriously that's it.

How is that denying reality? The reality is exactly what it is, and until we get to another level of reality if (or when) the investigation comes to an end, then we can discuss about the facts then
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 2 weeks ago '06        #72
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 flav said
same here brah. It is refreshing to have counter arguments and being able to express them in a way we can actually communicate.

Trump is no angel. I am absolutely not clinging onto him or his administration. Would I trust the guy with my most prized stuff? Absolutely not. I don't and never took his word as prophecy.

My thing is that people here jump the gun and make completely weird statements as prophecy that has no logical background, and you were the only one who actually was discussing. Guess what? I'm not disagreeing with you at all. If most people here could take away the weird personal attacks, they would be surprised that we actually see eye to eye on a LOT of things, but they just are not mature.

My position (from the jump) is straightforward: People who do crimes will have to be dealt with, if evidence ever emerges that he actually conspired with Russia who then placed some kind of process which indeed led to his election win, i'll be right there with you denouncing that, and i'll keep that same energy, as long as he (and his team) are proven to be guilty. Until then, we can only speculate and use logic & critical thinking in the meantime, which is the best course of action.

Your points make sense, i wouldn't trust a liar who knows how to talk himself in and out of things. If Mueller's investigation shows election theft, we should lock his azz up. If the investigation exonerates him, everyone should leave him alone

until then, time will tell
Ok but you're in another thread arguing a cop is guilty of murder with no excuse without hearing her testimony...

So which is it? Get the evidence? or make your own conclusions?

Your novel is all well and good but if you're not standing by those principles in every instance then they aren't principles, and your conception of justice is arbitrary and therefore worthless as an actual useful principle.
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So if he planned to do it, howcome he didn't go through with it? Ya'll tired of losing yet?

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 2 weeks ago '04        #74
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 flav said
Again. We can speculate all day. All i'm saying is that people make a LOT of noise without themselves showing any actual evidence. I'm saying let's use the actual facts to discuss, and logically break it down with critical thinking on top of that

seriously that's it.

How is that denying reality? The reality is exactly what it is, and until we get to another level of reality if (or when) the investigation comes to an end, then we can discuss about the facts then
Showing evidence of what? I’ve gone back and forth with you on the evidence that exists. You just choose not to believe it, hence denying reality.

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 Skateboard T said
Ok but you're in another thread arguing a cop is guilty of murder with no excuse without hearing her testimony...

So which is it? Get the evidence? or make your own conclusions?
see that's just sad brah

...the investigation described that

- she showed up to the guy's apartment
- she k!lled the guy
- she said that she thought that it was a burglar in her spot and the door was supposedly open


later we find out that she knew of her neighbor and had complained about him in the past, logically this tells you that she already showed up to her neighbor in the past, clearly going against her original statement that "she thought that it was her apartment"

and you say that i'm "arguing with no evidence" ? She made her testimony already Plus her side doesn't align with witnesses who heard someone screaming "let me in!! Let me in"" before the gunshots took place. Someone was actually k!lled, ya know.

Dude had a bright red doormat. She didn't. How can she say that "she thought it was her apartment" ? SHe said the door was found ajar, later the investigation shows that the apartment doors in this complex actually are spring loaded and close themselves, so how could it have been "found ajar?"



Regarding the administration, no data whatsoever so far has been evidenced of "russian hacking that led to Trump's win in 2016 put together by joint forcers of Trump himself, Putin and the Russian Gov't" but somehow i'm supposed to believe that?
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