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Biden administration announces drastic climate regulation to phase out gas cars

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Biden Administration Announces Rule Aimed at Expanding Electric Vehicles
The regulation would require automakers to sell more electric vehicles and hybrids by gradually tightening limits on tailpipe pollution.

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A man in a blue business suit and red tie stands at a podium and is flanked on either side by a shiny new electric vehicle. The backdrop is an enormous American flag.
E.P.A. Administrator Michael S. Regan unveiled the new rules in Washington on Wednesday. Credit... Pete Kiehart for The New York Times
March 20, 2024
Updated 5:05 p.m. ET
The Biden administration on Wednesday issued one of the most significant climate regulations in the nation’s history, a rule designed to ensure that the majority of new passenger cars and light trucks sold in the United States are all-electric or hybrids by 2032.

Nearly three years in the making, the new tailpipe pollution limits from the Environmental Protection Agency would tr@nsform the American automobile market. A record 1.2 million electric vehicles rolled off dealers’ lots last year, but they made up just 7.6 percent of total U.S. car sales, far from the 56 percent target under the new regulation. An additional 16 percent of new cars sold would be hybrids.

Cars and other forms of tr@nsportation are, together, the largest single source of carbon emissions generated by the United States, pollution that is driving climate change and that helped to make 2023 the hottest year in recorded history. Electric vehicles are central to President Biden’s strategy to confront global warming, which calls for cutting the nation’s emissions in half by the end of this decade. But E.V.s have also become politicized and are a flashpoint in the 2024 presidential campaign.

“Three years ago, I set an ambitious target: that half of all new cars and trucks sold in 2030 would be zero-emission,” said Mr. Biden in a statement. “Together, we’ve made historic progress. Hundreds of new expanded factories across the country. Hundreds of billions in private investment and thousands of good-paying union jobs. And we’ll meet my goal for 2030 and race forward in the years ahead.”

The rule increasingly limits the amount of pollution allowed from tailpipes over time so that, by 2032, more than half the new cars sold in the United States would most likely be zero-emissions vehicles in order for carmakers to meet the standards.

That would avoid more than seven billion tons of carbon dioxide emissions over the next 30 years, according to the E.P.A. That’s the equivalent of removing a year’s worth of all the greenhouse gases generated by the United States, the country that has historically pumped the most carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. The regulation would provide nearly $100 billion in annual net benefits to society, according to the agency, including $13 billion of annual public health benefits thanks to improved air quality.

The standards would also save the average American driver about $6,000 in reduced fuel and maintenance over the life of a vehicle, the E.P.A. estimated.

The tr@nsition to electric vehicles would require enormous changes in manufacturing, infrastructure, technology, labor, global trade and consumer habits.

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A BMW plant near Spartanburg, S.C. New rules are designed to make a majority of new vehicles sold in the United States all-electric or hybrids by 2032.
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And it has become politically fraught. Former President Donald J. Trump, who is campaigning to retake the White House from Mr. Biden in November, has sought to weaponize electric vehicles, repeating false claims during campaign rallies about their performance and affordability and using increasingly heated rhetoric. Most recently, he warned of a “blood bath” in the middle of a remarks about electric vehicles.

The American Fuel & Petrochemical Manufacturers, a lobbying organization, has started what it says is a “seven figure” campaign of advertising, phone calls and text messages against what it falsely calls “Biden’s E.P.A. car ban” in the swing states Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada and Arizona, as well as in Ohio, Montana and the Washington, D.C., market.

The E.P.A. regulation is not a ban. It does not mandate the sales of electric vehicles, and gas-powered cars and trucks could still be sold. Rather, it requires carmakers to meet tough new average emissions limits across their entire product line. It’s up to the manufacturers to decide how to comply.

Under the Clean Air Act, the agency can limit the pollution generated by the total number of cars sold each year. E.P.A. officials said automakers could comply with the emissions caps by selling a mix of conventional gasoline-burning cars, hybrids, electric vehicles or other types of vehicles, such as cars powered by hydrogen. The new regulation, which would not apply to sales of used automobiles or light trucks, would take effect starting with model year 2027.

Car companies that exceed the new restrictions could face substantial penalties.

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John Bozzella, president of the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, which represents 42 car companies that produce nearly all the new vehicles sold in the United States, said in a statement that the new rule was “a stretch goal” but one that offered some flexibility. “The future is electric,” he said. Still, the rules “are mindful of the importance of choice to drivers and preserve their ability to choose the vehicle that’s right for them,” he said.

But the rule is expected to face an immediate legal challenge by a coalition of fossil fuel companies and Republican attorneys general, complaints that are likely to wind their way to the Supreme Court.

“They may wish for us all to drive E.V.s or no cars at all, but at the end of the day that’s not their decision,” said Elizabeth Murrill, the attorney general of Louisiana, a major oil and gas producing state that has been involved in a series of lawsuits challenging the Biden E.P.A. “There is a limit to their authority to remake society in their own vision and the court has realized that.”

The auto emissions rule is the most impactful of four major climate regulations from the Biden administration, including restrictions on emissions from power plants, trucks and methane leaks from oil and gas wells. The rule comes on top of the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act, the biggest climate law in the nation’s history, which is providing at least $370 billion in federal incentives to support clean energy, including tax credits to buyers of electric vehicles.

The policies are intended to help the country meet Mr. Biden’s target of cutting U.S. greenhouse emissions in half by 2030 and eliminating them by 2050. Climate scientists say all major economies must do the same if the world is to avert the most deadly and costly effects of climate change.

“These standards form what we see as a historic climate grand slam for the Biden administration,” said Manish Bapna, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund, a political action committee that aims to advance environmental causes.

Mr. Bapna’s group has calculated that the four regulations, combined with the Inflation Reduction Act, would reduce the nation’s greenhouse emissions 42 percent by 2030, getting the country most of the way to Mr. Biden’s 2030 target.

Mr. Trump has promised to delete those climate programs should he return to the White House.

The Biden administration is racing to finalize climate regulations to protect them from one looming threat in a polarized political climate: According to statute, as long as the rule is published more than 60 legislative days before the end of the presidential term, it cannot be eliminated by a simple majority vote in Congress.

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President Biden visited an electric Ford Mustang at the Detroit Auto Show in 2022. Electric vehicles are central to his administration’s strategy to confront global warming.
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In writing the final tailpipe regulation, the administration relaxed some elements in a concession to car manufacturers and their biggest union, the United Auto Workers.

Even though major auto companies have been investing substantially in building and marketing all-electric vehicles, they have complained that the pace of change required under the rule as originally proposed a year ago was too rapid.

Unionized auto workers, who fear a rapid tr@nsition to electric vehicles because they have fewer parts that require fewer workers to produce, and because many new E.V. plants are being built in states that don’t support union labor, told the White House the same thing.

In a statement on Wednesday, the United Auto Workers said the E.P.A. had “come a long way to create a more feasible emissions rule” that would protect workers who build gas-powered cars while creating a path for car makers to “implement the full range of automotive technologies to reduce emissions.”

Mr. Biden needs both cooperation from the auto industry and political support from the unionized auto workers who backed him in 2020. The auto industry employs thousands of voters in Michigan, a swing state that could determine who will win the White House in November.

In response, the final E.P.A. rule relaxed the pace at which automakers must comply with the rule in its early years, ramping it up sharply only after 2030.

That lowers the number of E. V.s that automakers must sell before 2030, and it also means that emissions will go down more slowly. Climate scientists have warned that emissions must drop sharply and quickly in order to stave off the most catastrophic impacts of climate change.

“E.P.A. caved to pressure from Big Auto, Big Oil and car dealers and riddled the plan with loopholes big enough to drive a Ford F150 through,” said Dan Becker, director of the Center for Biological Diversity’s Safe Climate tr@nsport Campaign. Gas-powered cars would “dominate sales through much of this decade, guzzling and polluting into the middle of the century,” he said.

E.P.A. officials said the final rule would still cut the same amount of emissions over 30 years.

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An electric vehicle charging station in Barstow, Calif. Analysts project that the United States will need more than two million public chargers by 2030.
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Asked about that trade-off in a telephone call with reporters, Michael S. Regan, the administrator of the E.P.A., said the changes were designed to lead to a “stronger, more durable” policy, in other words, one less likely to be rolled back by a future administration or the courts. “We’re not sacrificing the environmental gains we want to see,” he said.

Even if the new E.P.A. limits survive legal challenges, a tr@nsition away from the internal combustion engine depends on a number of other factors.

A lack of public charging stations for electric vehicles remains a problem. While more than 172,000 were installed last year, analysts project that the nation will need more than two million chargers by 2030 to support the growth in electric vehicles envisioned by the E.P.A. regulation.

At the same time, growth in sales of electric vehicles is slowing, even as the new regulations would require a nearly tenfold increase in such sales within just eight years. Buyers of new electric vehicles are eligible for up to $7,500 in federal tax credits, but only 18 models are currently eligible for that full credit, down from about two dozen last year. One of those eligible models, the Ford F-150 Lightning, an all-electric pickup truck that once had a waiting list of 200,000, last year saw sales of 24,000, far short of the 150,000 sales projected by Ford.

“At the end of the day, this is going to be up to consumers,” said Stephanie Brinley, an analyst for the Auto Intelligence service at S&P Global Mobility. “They’re being asked to change their patterns of what they drive, what they buy, how they interact with their vehicles. And you can’t push them faster than they are going to go.”

Coral Davenport covers energy and environment policy, with a focus on climate change, for The Times. More about Coral Davenport

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Biden administration announces climate rules to phase out gas cars and make sure majority of vehicles sold by 2032 are electric or hybrid
Joe Biden hailed the announcement as 'historic progress' on climate change
The rules aim to increase sales of electric vehicles from 7.6% to 56% in 2032
The Trump campaign was quick to condemn what it called 'radical EV mandates'
By ROB CRILLY, SENIOR U.S. POLITICAL REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM IN WASHINGTON, D.C. and ASSOCIATED PRESS

PUBLISHED: 11:47 EDT, 20 March 2024 | UPDATED: 13:44 EDT, 20 March 2024

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The Biden administration unveiled drastic climate regulations Wednesday designed to phase out gas cars and ensure the majority of passenger vehicles and light trucks sold in the U.S. by 2032 are electric or hybrid.

It represents one of the most significant parts of its ambitious climate agenda as it imposes tight rules on tailpipes that it says will halve greenhouse gas emissions from cars.

But in a concession to automakers and labor unions the regulations will be rolled out more slowly than originally proposed.

The rules come as sales of electric vehicles, which are needed to meet the standards, have begun to slow.

'Three years ago, I set an ambitious target: that half of all new cars and trucks sold in 2030 would be zero-emission,' said President Joe Biden. 'Together, we've made historic progress.

The Biden administration has announced drastic climate regulations to phase out gas cars and make sure the majority of passenger vehicles and light trucks sold in the U.S. are electric or hybrid by 2032
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The Biden administration has announced drastic climate regulations to phase out gas cars and make sure the majority of passenger vehicles and light trucks sold in the U.S. are electric or hybrid by 2032


'Hundreds of new expanded factories across the country. Hundreds of billions in private investment and thousands of good-paying union jobs. And we'll meet my goal for 2030 and race forward in the years ahead.'

Environmentalists, such as the Sierra Club, were quick to welcome the move.

But oil industry representatives called on Congress to block the standards and Republicans condemned the changes as removing choice from consumers.

The Trump campaign posted on X: 'Crooked Joe Biden's insane and radical EV mandates will ban your gasoline-powered vehicles and force you to buy expensive and unreliable electric vehicles.

'President Trump will always protect your freedom to drive what you want.'

tr@nsportation is the largest source of domestic greenhouse gas emissions, with passenger cars (technically known as light duty vehicles) making the biggest contribution.

Auto manufacturers warned of lower sales growth when the EPA announced its proposals in April last year as part of its ambitious plan to cut planet-warming emissions from passenger vehicles.

Under its final rule, the EPA said the industry could meet the limits if 56 percent of new vehicle sales are electric by 2032, along with at least 13 percent for plug-in hybrids or other partially electric cars, as well as more efficient gasoline-powered cars that get more miles to the gallon.

So instead of pushing automakers to focus on EVs to meet tough new pollution targets, plug-in hybrids—which use both gas engines and rechargeable batteries—are part of the mix.

Republicans, including the Trump campaign, were quick to condemn the move, warning that it would reduce consumer choice
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Republicans, including the Trump campaign, were quick to condemn the move, warning that it would reduce consumer choice

The rules come as sales of electric vehicles, which are needed to meet the standards, have begun to slow. Biden is seen behind the wheel of his beloved Corvette
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The rules come as sales of electric vehicles, which are needed to meet the standards, have begun to slow. Biden is seen behind the wheel of his beloved Corvette

Biden tests the all-electric Ford F-150 lightning truck on a track last year. Electric vehicles have been a key part of his ambitious climate agenda since he entered office
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Biden tests the all-electric Ford F-150 lightning truck on a track last year. Electric vehicles have been a key part of his ambitious climate agenda since he entered office

The agency forecasts that its new standards will prevent more than 7 billion tons of carbon dioxide being pumped into the atmosphere over the next three decades. On top of that, it says lower health care costs, reduced mortality and other benefits will be worth $100 billion to the economy.

The EPA rule applies to model years 2027 to 2032 and will significantly reduce emissions of planet-warming greenhouse gases, as well as other air pollution such as nitrogen oxides and particulate matter from new passenger cars, light trucks and pickups.

The rule will help 'tackle the climate crisis' and result in widespread reductions in air pollution while accelerating the adoption of cleaner vehicle technologies, the EPA said. The agency is finalizing the rule as sales of clean vehicles, including plug-in hybrid and fully electric vehicles, hit record highs last year.

'Let me be clear: Our final rule delivers the same, if not more, pollution reduction than we set out in our proposal,' EPA Administrator Michael Regan told reporters.

In addition to carbon pollution, the final standards also will reduce other serious air pollution that contributes to heart attacks, respiratory illnesses, aggravated asthma and decreased lung function, Regan said.

'Folks, these new standards are so important for public health, for American jobs, for our economy and for our planet,' he said.

The American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers and American Petroleum Institute called on Congress to block the plan.

'At a time when millions of Americans are struggling with high costs and inflation, the Biden administration has finalized a regulation that will unequivocally eliminate most new gas cars and traditional hybrids from the U.S. market in less than a decade,' they said.

'As much as the president and EPA claim to have "eased" their approach, nothing could be further from the truth.'

The EPA's proposed rule would require many Americans to buy EVs within this decade
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The EPA's proposed rule would require many Americans to buy EVs within this decade

The standards are designed to be technology-neutral and performance-based, Regan said, giving car and truck manufacturers the flexibility to choose pollution-control technologies that are best suited for their customers while meeting environmental and public health goals.

The changes appear aimed at addressing strong industry opposition to the accelerated ramp-up of EVs, along with public reluctance to fully embrace the new technology. There is also a legitimate threat of legal challenges before conservative courts.

The Supreme Court, with a 6-3 conservative majority, has increasingly reined in the powers of federal agencies, including the EPA, in recent years. The justices have restricted the EPA´s authority to fight air and water pollution - including a landmark 2022 ruling that limited the EPA´s authority to regulate carbon dioxide emissions from power plants that contribute to global warming.

President Joe Biden has made fighting climate change a hallmark of his presidency and is seeking to slash carbon dioxide emissions from gasoline-powered vehicles, which make up the largest single source of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions.

At the same time, the Democratic president needs cooperation from the auto industry and political support from auto workers, a key political voting bloc.

The United Auto Workers union, which has endorsed Biden, has said it favors the tr@nsition to electric vehicles but wants to make sure jobs are preserved and that the industry pays top wages to workers who build the EVs and batteries.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday that White House officials 'don´t have any concerns' about the final EPA rule. 'We know, with these types of things, it takes time,´´ she told reporters. 'But we´re still going to stay committed to our (climate) goals.'


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 2 months ago '19        #3
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do as I say, not as I do. meanwhile this pants pissing geriatric owns a 427ci Corvette Stingray. car gets around 4 miles per gallon.










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 2 months ago '23        #4
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This is what I mean when I keep saying, “there are trillions at stake,” and “it’s not the politicians we should be looking at.”

In 2008, it was the SEIU who were the foot soldiers for Barack Obama. In 2009, SEIU President Andy Stern was the #1 visitor to the White House. The SEIU needed to get rid of the healthcare liability inside their pension plan because the union was about to go broke. That’s the origin of Obamacare. In 2024 Biden is manipulating the UAW leadership into the same position, looking for election help.

But wait, it gets worse…

Blackrock is in control of policy. Now look at where Blackrock investment has been pre-deployed, and that’s where you see Biden policy coming into play. Blackrock and JPMorgan set up the Ukraine reconstruction bank {SEE HERE}. That’s the core of the Ukraine issue. It’s not ideological, it’s financial. Follow the money.
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 2 months ago '19        #5
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Right on time. They say the aliens will be here in 2029.
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 2 months ago '23        #6
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The backstory is so tr@nsparently corrupt it requires an explanation, so we’ll go down the full rabbit hole and explain how China knew – to a demonstrable certainty – their multi-billion dollar investment in Mexican EV plants would be useful.

Always remember, there are trillions at stake.
First, who was installed in the Biden White House in charge of all personnel and staffing? Catherine Russell. {SEE HERE} Who is Catherine Russell? She’s the wife of Tom Donilon, a long-time aid and advisor to Joe Biden who served in the Obama White House.

After serving as Obama’s National Security Advisor (prior to Susan Rice), Tom Donilon then went on to become “Chairman of the BlackRock Investment Institute {SEE HERE}.” His job was literally to “leverage the firm’s expertise and generate proprietary research to provide insights on the global economy, markets, geopolitics and long-term asset allocation.”

In essence, the Donilon family represented the interests of Blackrock in the White House.

Second, Tom Donilon’s brother, Mike Donilon is a Senior Advisor to Joe Biden {link} providing guidance on what policies should be implemented within the administration. Mike Donilon guides the focus of spending, budgets, regulation and white house policy from his position of Senior Advisor to the President.

In June of 2022, Blackrock’s Tom Donilon was then appointed to be co-chair of U.S. Department of State’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board {SEE HERE}, in charge of U.S-China policy. Can you see where this is going?

Blackrock, a massive multinational investment firm with assets in the tens-of-trillions, was essentially guiding/constructing the policymaking of the White House, through Tom Donilon, Mike Donilon and Catherine Russell (Tom’s wife). Blackrock then took out massive investment stakes in China, including in the Chinese auto-making industry, with specific focus on EVs. Tom Donilon, now shifting to the State Dept and guiding US-China policy, was the Blackrock government embed, ensuring policy that would keep their investments lucrative.



Pictured above BlackRock Investment Institute Chairman Tom Donilon (former National Security Advisor to President Obama), celebrating an international collaboration with China’s Chairman Xi Jinping
Next up, in late 2023 the Chinese auto firms carrying the Blackrock investment money, then made big announcements. “BUSINESS INSIDER – Three major Chinese EV companies are planning to build new factories in Mexico, sparking concern among US officials, according to a new report. MG, BYD, and Chery are all looking at sites to build new factories in the country, according to unnamed sources cited by The Financial Times, and this investment is causing angst in Washington.”

The total investment in Mexican auto plants, specifically to build Electric Vehicles (EVs) for the USA market, exceeds $5 billion. A very big investment considering that EV sales in the U.S. were not going so well.

So, think about it, what did Blackrock know about the USA EV market: (a) that defied current market conditions; and (b) that would support such a move by the Chinese auto manufacturers they financially supported?

Today, we get the answer:

(Politico) – The Biden administration is unleashing a flurry of regulatory actions that aims to shift the nation toward electric vehicles — with the biggest rule coming Wednesday to set strict limits on climate pollution from passenger cars.

The regulation being announced by EPA Administrator Michael Regan, as POLITICO’s E&E News reported last week, would slash greenhouse gases from cars and light trucks in half, while pushing to have electric vehicles make up about two-thirds of new passenger vehicle sales by 2032. (read more)

As noted in a second Politico article:

The final version of the Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Cars rule is the strictest federal climate regulation ever issued for passenger cars and trucks — even though it offers manufacturers a slightly slower phase-in of pollution limits than the EPA had first proposed last spring.

The agency estimated a year ago that the rule could lead to two-thirds of new cars and passenger trucks being electric in 2032. Wednesday’s version says automakers could build a mix of vehicles to comply with the rule, including fully battery-powered vehicles, plug-in hybrids that run on electricity and gasoline, and more efficient conventional engines.

EPA Administrator Michael Regan’s official rolled out the rule on Wednesday at a Washington event attended by carmakers, environmentalists and other groups.

President Joe Biden said the rule fulfills his promise to cut the nation’s carbon pollution in half by the end of the decade while promoting American workers. “Together, we’ve made historic progress. Hundreds of new expanded factories across the country. Hundreds of billions in private investment and thousands of good-paying union jobs,” Biden said in a statement. (read more)

Biden is a blithering idiot, a pretense, a false target. Biden reads what people tell him to read; he’s not the origin of the feces he spouts. Silver Spoon, “lunch bucket” Biden has no clue, and his Blackrock handlers keep him that way. Biden can tell the U.S. auto manufacturers anything; he has [¹]no clue what the actual policy being constructed is all about. The Biden family will be paid handsomely, either by the Blackrock group or by the Chinese -as is the background record.

So, let’s encapsulate things so far. (1) The interests of Blackrock determined the White House key staff and policy makers. (2) The Donilon clan represented those Blackrock interests and worked inside both the White House and State Dept to create and maintain policy favorable to Blackrock’s Chinese EV position. (3) China/Blackrock invest massively in Mexican EV production. (4) White House/EPA generate policy to support the Blackrock investment.

That’s how the three Chinese auto firms could be so sure of their decision in 2023 to invest in the Mexican Blackrock EV plan. The one that President Donald Trump rightly says will create a “bloodbath” in the U.S auto industry.

It is not the politicians; they are functionaries.

What I am saying directly is that Blackrock is the origin of the policy, and Blackrock is the beneficiary of the policy.
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 2 months ago '20        #7
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Seems the fixes in and if they flood the US with cheap EVS it's essentially going to gut whatever manufacturing we have left in the states.... It's going to be the textile industry going overseas on steroids.
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 2 months ago '15        #8
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I need a Porsche 911 before that happens
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 2 months ago '23        #9
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 ninjahood said 🔗
seems the fixes in and if they flood the us with cheap evs it's essentially going to gut whatever manufacturing we have left in the states.... It's going to be the textile industry going overseas on steroids.
facts!
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 WavyManny said 🔗
I need a Porsche 911 before that happens
The EU already has da proverbial knife to the throats of all those European car manufacturers....So even if let's say Trump comes back and reverses everything, your Porsche 911s were theoretically have to be made in America because they wouldn't be safe from EU regulations which would essentially outlaw them after 2030..... provided Volkswagen is working on synthetic fuels to power them going forward.

 2 months ago '19        #11
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 Ninjahood said 🔗
The EU already has da proverbial knife to the throats of all those European car manufacturers....So even if let's say Trump comes back and reverses everything, your Porsche 911s were theoretically have to be made in America because they wouldn't be safe from EU regulations which would essentially outlaw them after 2030..... provided Volkswagen is working on synthetic fuels to power them going forward.
VW is making everything hybrid powertrains now, as they lost billions on the ID4, Audi Etron GT and Porsche Taycan.

The 2024 Audi A4 is a 4 cylinder turbo with an additional hybrid powertrain added to the rear wheels. Most normal car buyers wouldn't have an issue with hybrids, but you can't just go and put a Stage 1 or Stage 2 software tune on these hybrid cars. And then even if you did purchase a full EV vehicle from VAG, they will do the same BS subscription service model that Tesla does where if you want more horsepower and torque from the engine(s) you have to pay thousands for them to just unlock the software over the air.

Been trying to order an RS3 and it's still a two year waiting list because they only manufacture their wiring harnesses in the Ukraine. Was even looking at MK8 Golf R's and every dealer wants $5-10K over MSRP because of market demand, for a fu#kin Golf.
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 2 months ago '20        #12
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 Megaman said 🔗
VW is making everything hybrid powertrains now, as they lost billions on the ID4, Audi Etron GT and Porsche Taycan.

The 2024 Audi A4 is a 4 cylinder turbo with an additional hybrid powertrain added to the rear wheels. Most normal car buyers wouldn't have an issue with hybrids, but you can't just go and put a Stage 1 or Stage 2 software tune on these hybrid cars. And then even if you did purchase a full EV vehicle from VAG, they will do the same BS subscription service model that Tesla does where if you want more horsepower and torque from the engine(s) you have to pay thousands for them to just unlock the software over the air.

Been trying to order an RS3 and it's still a two year waiting list because they only manufacture their wiring harnesses in the Ukraine. Was even looking at MK8 Golf R's and every dealer wants $5-10K over MSRP because of market demand, for a fu#kin Golf.
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Sounds like foreigns are going through an existential crisis that are basically outside their control.... Their best best is to hope orange man bad bad gives them a reprieve and possible sanctuary to manufacture in North America and avoid punitive regulations from Brussels.
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 2 months ago '22        #13
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2030 is one aggressive timeline lol
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 2 months ago '15        #14
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 Ninjahood said 🔗
The EU already has da proverbial knife to the throats of all those European car manufacturers....So even if let's say Trump comes back and reverses everything, your Porsche 911s were theoretically have to be made in America because they wouldn't be safe from EU regulations which would essentially outlaw them after 2030..... provided Volkswagen is working on synthetic fuels to power them going forward.
I don’t even know enough about Porsches to even argue your point, I just know I got a couple cars I need before they start making more hackable cars

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 WavyManny said 🔗
I don’t even know enough about Porsches to even argue your point, I just know I got a couple cars I need before they start making more hackable cars

Just hope and pray that a return to energy sanity ultimately prevails against her irrational Idolatry and religious zealotry of climate change fades as as virtue signalling cornucopia.
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 2 months ago '16        #16
lars  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x6
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Americans can't afford new ev's plus they take like 20 min to charge.
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 2 months ago '20        #17
Ninjahood  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x9 OP
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 lars said 🔗
Americans can't afford new ev's plus they take like 20 min to charge.
Some people think that's part of the plan and ultimately they don't want to replace gas power vehicles 1:1 with EVS.
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 2 months ago '20        #18
Ninjahood  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x9 OP
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 SeanDon122 said 🔗
2030 is one aggressive timeline lol
Im waiting for one of da AG's to sue over da regulations...

 2 months ago '19        #19
Bxswaggerjacker 
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 HaterVision said 🔗
Right on time. They say the aliens will be here in 2029.
Aliens already been living here before humans existed
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 2 months ago '19        #20
jlem 
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Why are they still trying to get people to get on this EV wave?

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People have already figured out that the sh1t was a big a$s scam. I know people who were all about them Teslas and they've traded them bi#ches in for traditional gas operated vehicles.

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2030 is a little less that 6 years away. So, they really think that the U.S. is going to have a fully operational electrical grid and network that is capable of supporting every MF with an EV?

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That's not even considering what it's going to take to implement charging stations across the country that not only charge the vehicles faster but also work. The main complaint that I hear from folks with EV's are the charging times and the availability of working charging stations.

One cat went to a spot that had 8 stations and only two of them sh1ts worked.

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Gas cars aren't going anywhere anytime soon. It's a lot easier to replace a high mileage engine that goes out than it is to replace a dead lithium battery.

A lot of manufacturers have already scaled backed their plans on going full electric or abandoned them altogether.

I imagine that this ain't nothing but Presidential murmurings to appeal to the tree huggers in hopes of gaining votes all in the name of "saving the environment."
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 2 months ago '19        #21
jlem 
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 lars said 🔗
Americans can't afford new ev's plus they take like 20 min to charge.
Bruh! Try like 45. On top of that it's not even a full charge.

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 2 months ago '19        #22
Megaman 
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Wait until these climate change hoaxer's get confronted with the actual truth of the matter.

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Electric vehicles release more toxic emissions, are worse for the environment than gas-powered cars: study

Published March 5, 2024

Electric vehicles release more toxic particles into the atmosphere and are worse for the environment than their gas-powered counterparts, according to a resurfaced study.

The study, published by emissions data firm Emission Analytics, was released in 2022 but has attracted a wave of attention this week after being cited in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Sunday.

It found that brakes and tires on EVs release 1,850 times more particle pollution compared to modern tailpipes, which have “efficient” exhaust filters, bringing gas-powered vehicles’ emissions to new lows.

Today, most vehicle-related pollution comes from tire wear.

As heavy cars drive on light-duty tires — most often made with synthetic rubber made from crude oil and other fillers and additives — they deteriorate and release harmful chemicals into the air, according to Emission Analytics.

A Tesla electric car charging at a station in Salt Lake City, Utah.
Electric vehicles release more toxic particles into the atmosphere due to tire wear, according to Emission Analytics, which said battery-powered cars are more than 30% heavier than their gas-powered counterparts.

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Because EVs are on average 30% heavier, brakes and tires on the battery-powered cars wear out faster than on standard cars.

Emission Analytics found that tire wear emissions on half a metric tonne of battery weight in an EV are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions.

For reference, half a metric tonne is equivalent to roughly 1,100 pounds.

Graph comparing tire-wear emissions to direct exhaust emissions. EV tire-wear emissions 1,850x greater due to weight and wear.
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Emission Analytics found that tire wear emissions with about 1,100 pounds of battery weight in an EV are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions. Most EV batteries weigh around 1,800 pounds.
Emissions Analytics
The most popular EV in the US, Tesla’s Model Y, boasts a lithium-ion battery that weighs in at a hefty 1,836 pounds.

Another sought-after electric model, Ford’s F-150 Lightning pickup truck, also has an approximately 1,800-pound battery.

The study throws doubt on the practicality of the Biden administration’s EV mandates, which tout electric cars as “zero-emissions vehicles” in a quest to force two-thirds of new cars in America to be all-electric by the year 2032.

A member of the media walks past a stack of racing tires after the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race
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“Tires are made up of a lot of nasty chemicals,” said Emissions Analytics chief Nick Molden. To combat the release of toxins as they wear, Molden said that tires need to be made of more sustainable materials.
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California lawmakers have similarly referred to EVs as producing “zero emissions” because they don’t have tailpipes, per the Journal, which added that the label is “deceptive.”

Electric cars still use tires made from petroleum that create particle pollution as they wear.

Still, “this will not be something that stops electrification,” Nick Molden, the founder and CEO of Emissions Analytics, told The Post.

A hand holding a gas pump.
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Emissions Analytics found that brakes and tires on EVs release 1,850 times more particle pollution compared to modern tailpipes, which have “efficient” exhaust filters, bringing gas-powered vehicles’ emissions to new lows.
Megan Mendoza/The Republic / USA TODAY NETWORK
“You have a tradeoff. At the moment, the political agenda is very strong towards climate change reduction. EVs do deliver about a 50% reduction in CO2 — that [affects] climate change.”

“But you have this downside of EVs that increases particle pollution. Air pollution is about what we breathe and the health effects,” Molden said, assuring that the toxins in tires have much less impact on climate change than they do on “what we eat and are ingesting.”

Increased exposure to these toxins “can increase the risk of health problems like heart disease, asthma, and low birth weight,” according to the New York Department of Health, which noted that pollution from sources including vehicle exhaust can travel long distances from its source and still cause health issues at unhealthy levels.

“A lot of it [chemicals] goes into the soil and water, affecting animals and fish. And we then go and eat the animals and fish, so we are ingesting tire pollution,” Molden added.

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“Tires are made up of a lot of nasty chemicals.”

Molden said that “the best first thing” to do to address this problem is to “change the recipe, minimize a number of toxic chemicals in the tires — then you got the best of both worlds.

Even so, California’s air agency used a model that assumes electric and gas vehicles have the same amount of tire wear when analyzing the effects of the ban, according to the Journal.

The public was quick to note the error, but the agency doubled down on its stance, saying it’s “speculative” to assume electric cars will always be heavier than their gasoline counterparts.


California’s Air Resources Board (CARB) insisted in its “Final Statement of Reasons for Rulemaking” that automakers could “offset” the weight of heavy batteries with “weight reduction in other components or the vehicle body,” though the agency didn’t specify how.

The Environmental Protection Agency has also shared plans to ratchet up emissions standards starting with the 2027 model year to force automakers to sell ever fewer gas-powered and even hybrid cars.

The Post has sought comment from CARB and the Environmental Protection Agency.
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 2 months ago '04        #23
Skilllz  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Electric cars with ki1l switches, mane is all I can think about.
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 2 months ago '17        #24
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If you ever wanted an example of an objectively bad thread title, look no further.

 2 months ago '04        #25
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All I need to know is that the oil and gas companies are against this to know its a good thing

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