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Have teams figured out Justin Herbert? Why Chargers’ loss to Patriots is concerning
 

 
Chargers coach Brandon Staley insisted he wasn’t concerned that his team’s formerly flashy, high-powered offense was erratic and sometimes stalled during its 27-24 loss to the New England Patriots on Sunday at SoFi Stadium, which gave him his first two-game losing streak as the team’s head coach.

Maybe he should be bothered. Two losses don’t make a pattern, but the way the Chargers lost is enough to demand serious film watching that leads to some creative solutions before they face the Eagles next Sunday at Philadelphia.

Getting a week off after their 34-6 blowout loss at Baltimore didn’t do anything for the Chargers’ passing game Sunday, and that played into the Patriots’ eager hands.

New England was willing to give up yards on the ground — the Chargers’ 163 yards rushing was their second-highest total this season — but Bill Belichick’s team focused on third-down situations and effectively eliminated big passing plays.

The Chargers converted only four of 12 third downs, a 33.3% efficiency rate. The Patriots were nine for 19 (47.4%).

“What we have to do a better job of on early downs is getting in rhythm, staying on schedule, getting the explosive plays, mixing the run and the pass, moving the pocket, and if we can do that then we can be a dangerous offensive football team,” Staley said.

“But third down in the NFL, known pass against good defenses, they have a good defense, we have a good defense, third down is a place you don’t want to be in the NFL. You don’t want to live like that. We’ve just got to do a better job in the passing game. We’re capable of more and we’ll be better going forward.”

A late push capped by a 24-yard touchdown pass from Justin Herbert to rookie wide receiver Joshua Palmer padded Herbert’s passing yards by 80 for a total of 223, including two touchdown passes. But he was intercepted twice by former Chargers safety Adrian Phillips, once for a touchdown early in the fourth quarter that put New England ahead for good at 24-17. At Baltimore two weeks ago, Herbert passed for 195 yards, the second-lowest total of his young career, and was intercepted once.

Herbert, who was so impressively poised while helping lead the Chargers to four wins in their first five games, said he didn’t know if opponents have begun to figure him out as he gets deeper into his second NFL season.

But he has shown in the Chargers’ last two games he still has a lot to figure out when it comes to conquering tricky defenses.

On Sunday, the key for him was to find other options in the face of the Patriots’ zone coverage. Staley said he saw some protection issues, but Herbert said he didn’t feel rushed, though he planned to review that when he watches the game film.

“I felt like they gave me enough time,” he said. “It’s on me to make those throws and to get the ball up quicker, but I thought those guys up front did a good job blocking and I feel comfortable behind those guys.”

But in situations that called for patience and discipline — a phrase Staley uttered three times in a row, for emphasis — Herbert sometimes fell short. And he knew it.

“If the defense drops everyone out and nothing’s open downfield, you have to find your checkdown. You have to take off, you have to find four or five yards however you can get it,” he said. “But that’s just the tough part about playing quarterback. And something I have to keep learning.”

Wide receiver Keenan Allen blamed the loss on the Chargers sabotaging themselves. That was true but wasn’t the complete story. He cited dropped passes and penalties as a cause, though the Chargers were called for only five penalties for 40 yards.

“We shouldn’t have lost, for sure,” Allen said. “I thought the Ravens did a damned good job. Today it was all us. I didn’t see anything that [the Patriots] did that we couldn’t understand what was going on. I didn’t think any of it was anything.”

But it added up to something the Chargers couldn’t handle. Asked what they must clean up, Allen replied, “Good question. I don’t have the answer.

“The frustration for me is just every year. It’s the same thing every year. Beating ourselves. Same thing. Frustrating.”

This isn’t the same team or the same coach, so it’s easy to think Allen was merely venting while the sting of defeat felt fresh. And the Chargers did get valuable contributions from their running game, which Staley considered important.

“We need to make sure that we continue to improve in that aspect,” he said, “because when all you’re doing is dropping back to throw, it’s hard to do that consistently in this league because very few people in the NFL can protect the passer when it’s a known pass. Very few people can, and I think that’s the big takeaway from today’s game.”

The other takeaway should be that it’s time to be concerned and fix things before it’s time to become alarmed.

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 4 weeks ago '09        #2
Tiko377  OP
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 4 weeks ago '18        #3
Mr Tibbs 
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all that jazz few weeks ago.
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 4 weeks ago '18        #4
baddie  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x24
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Played two good defenses recently… got the Eagles up next… he’ll be aight

 4 weeks ago '12        #5
ezduzit 
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 baddie said
Played two good defenses recently… got the Eagles up next… he’ll be aight
If our d coordinator continues to mix things up won’t be that easy. Eagles got legit pass rush
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 4 weeks ago '17        #6
justin747  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x5
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He was missing throws he would normally make. His accuracy is usually unreal.

He'll be aight.

 4 weeks ago '16        #7
BMC1000  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8
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 Tiko377 said

@ quiet as a church mouse these days

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 4 weeks ago '07        #8
Bkjj11  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x97
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Tape is out there. Make him work at the line.


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 4 weeks ago '05        #9
bigpinero  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Pats almost beat TB and Dallas fu*k outta here
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 4 weeks ago '09        #10
Tiko377  OP
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 Bkjj11 said
Tape is out there. Make him work at the line.



 4 weeks ago '09        #11
Tiko377  OP
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 baddie said
Played two good defenses recently… got the Eagles up next… he’ll be aight
Ravens secondary is terrible see what Joey B did to them the week after Herbert.

 4 weeks ago '07        #12
kakish 
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Best new young QB I thought they said. Him and Pat struggling shows that all QBs can be affected and maybe we shouldn’t bash dudes like Rodgers for only having 1 ring as what Brady has does in his career is a complete outlier.

And I expect all QB to struggle but worst in the league is a pretty bad look. If someone like Carr of Cousins had a 3 week stretch like this people who be saying they shouldn’t even be a starter anymore
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 4 weeks ago '05        #13
schmiv 
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 Mr Tibbs said



all that jazz few weeks ago.
Exactly what i was thinking
After the refs gifted herbert and the chargers that win against the browns, the media couldnt get Herberts c*ck far enough down their throats....3 weeks later, dead silent

Just more of the NFL trying to do ANYTHING to make the chargers relevant in LA
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 4 weeks ago '18        #14
baddie  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x24
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 Tiko377 said
Ravens secondary is terrible see what Joey B did to them the week after Herbert.
That same bengals team lost to the fu*king Jets…. Foh

 4 weeks ago '21        #15
RagnarRogers225 
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The right side of the oline is trash wideout dropping passes the defense suck we only got 4 wins cause of Herbert

 4 weeks ago '05        #16
rellish 
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Yall need to post bout us when we're winning too

We're running a whole new scheme this year... Literally NO deep passes anymore, & we lead the league in dropped balls thats not helping Herb any.

We'll see where we're at in about another month. Things change in the NFL weekly, on our sack one week then the next week we're a*s

I think we'll see some clarity by week 12 or 13

#BoltGangOrDontBang


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 4 weeks ago '15        #17
MichaelVickStan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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The season just started nfl defenses are getting better they are adjusting to the pass & the refs ....pass inference calls seem down to me these Qbs getting back to reality u can get beat any Sunday

 4 weeks ago '16        #18
kuul  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x11
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Hes in a lot of trouble.

 4 weeks ago '20        #19
RTJ 
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10 wins in 22 starts

But numbers

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 4 weeks ago '05        #20
2 Pistolz 
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Starting to look more and more like the Justin Herbert I watched at Oregon. I was shocked at how "amazing" he'd looked. Well, now the tape is out. Teams have adjusted. How will he? Not a good look in the past 3 weeks where he's been the worst graded QB in the NFL.

I was impressed with his start to this season. Wasn't impressed with him last season at all. Played from behind a lot; garbage time numbers. Also was one of the worse 4th quarter QBs in the NFL. Got dominated by all of the legit defenses he faced. He also stepped into a situation, unlike most other rookie QBs, where he's got some serious weapons all over the field.
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 4 weeks ago '05        #21
schmiv 
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 justin747 said
He was missing throws he would normally make. His accuracy is usually unreal.

He'll be aight.
I dont know, i remember watching him at Oregon and his accuracy was trash unless he was completely set

Same sh*t you see now, he over throws guys high when hes pressured

 4 weeks ago '13        #22
IamDaGawd 
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Weird how dolphins fans are the majority of ppl on here sh*tting on Herbert when we are stuck with tiny Tebow

Also it can't be 3 weeks cus he sh*t all over the browns 3 weeks ago

I'm convinced the tua army wrote all these articles


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 4 weeks ago '16        #23
Funke  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 Mr Tibbs said



all that jazz few weeks ago.

Drop passes from superbowl and still are drops this year.


 4 weeks ago '04        #24
slimboyballer  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 Mr Tibbs said



all that jazz few weeks ago.
This didnt age well
Ravens beat the dog sh** out of the chargers days later lol lol
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 4 weeks ago '04        #25
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 Mr Tibbs said



all that jazz few weeks ago.
They should do that with Big Ben and the rest of the AFC North QBs lol
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