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THIS THREAD IS NOT SOLELY BASED ON DNA

BOTH GROUPS BELIEVED THIS BEFORE MODERN SCIENCE

THEY'RE USING DNA FOR CONTEXT OF WHEN THE SPLIT TOOK PLACE

LANGUAGE, CULTURE, RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, & MANY OTHER THINGS
ARE THE REASON THEY BELIEVE THERE'S A CONNECTION








We’ve known or suspected as much for a long time. American Indians and Turkic peoples of the Altai region of southern Siberia share common ancestors.

American scientists Thomas Jefferson and Constantine Rafinesque were the first to demonstrate this genetic similarity, long before the days of DNA.

Now an article in American Journal of Human Genetics has clenched the argument with mitochondrial and Y chromosomal DNA studies.

The groundbreaking citation is: Matthew C. Dulik
visit this link http://www.cell.com/AJHG/ .. 2811%2900549-0

Thomas Jefferson thought American Indians were Turks and Tartars coming across the Bering Sea from Asia

~The Lost World of Thomas Jefferson, Daniel J. Boorstin P. 1993
Many other empires having begun to rise in the vicinity of Aztlan, such as those of Bali [Indonesia, perhaps Oppenheimer’s Eden in the East?], Scythia [Russian steppes], Thibet, Oghuz [Lake Baikal area], the Iztacan were driven eastwards, north of China; but some fragments of the nation are still found in the Caucasus such as the Abians or Abassans, Alticezecs [Altai Turks], Cushazibs, Chunsags, & Modjors.

The six Iztacan nations being still pressed upon by their neighbours the Oghuzians [Uigur Turks], & Moguls [Mongols], gradually retreated or sent colonies to Japan, and the islands of the Pacific ocean; having discovered America at the peninsula of Alasca [Alaska, a Chinese word], during their navigations, the bulk of the nation came over and spread from Alasca to Anahuac, establishing many states in the west of America, such as Tula [Toltec], Amaquemeca, Tehuajo [Tewa, Tiwa, Tawa], Nabajoa [Navajo], Teopantla, Huehue, and many others.

After crossing the mountains, they discovered and followed the Missouri and Arkanzas rivers, reaching thus the Mississippi and Kentucky (26-27)

~Constantine Rafinesque
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(Native american delegation visits Ataturk's mausoleum in Turkey)

How long will it take American history books to catch up to this new proof?

We predict: never.

The Smithsonian has its own versions of things and these are ingrained into anthropological dogma as deeply as Manifest Destiny.

Turkish historians already consider it as a basic fact of history.
They have long claimed American Indians as their genetic cousins.



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 1 year ago '04        #2
the_malicious  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x8 OP
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In my opinion this would change alot about American history

Academia says Greeks were the greatest Europeans.
and Rome was the greatest European empire.


Constantinople was the Roman Empire's capital for over 1,000+ YEARS

People forget it was the Turks who officially ended the Roman Empire.
The Turks enslaved Greeks for over 400 years (1453-1821).
And after taking Constantinople they are still holding it to this day (Istanbul)



But if Native Americans and Turks are distant relatives

That means colonists came here talking white supremacy to the Natives.
When in reality during that time the cousins of Native Americans had just gave Europe some of their biggest L's


Also notice how Greeks were enslaved the same amount of time as blacks
during the exact same period (1453-1821) but this isn't taught in most schools

Because it clearly DESTROYS the idea Europeans are somehow superior

400 years of Greek enslavement under Ottoman Turks

The Empire of Byzantium ended on Tuesday May 29, 1453 when its capital, Constantinople, fell to the Turks. This is the black day in Greek history. By the 15th century, Greece was under Turkish muslim rule. Over the next 400 years, Greeks were slaves to the Turks, deprived of their human rights, considered as second class citizens, worked and lived only for their rulers. Harems of pashas were full of christian girls while bodyguards of the sultan (Janissaries) were Christian boys taken from their parents trained to f*ght and k*ll their own people. [—Greek Orthodox Church]




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 1 year ago '04        #3
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so the altai people crossed thru alaska and got massacred by white people
and native altai's became the ottomans and massacred the armenians


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 1 year ago '04        #4
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love to get blowed and read or watch more sh*t on the people of the steppe. not enough people get how expansive their history is including sh*t like this. we always learned in school that humans migrated through the land bridge from siberia but there's never including those peoples with the rest of the peoples of the steppe like the turks, the huns, the mongols etc and same with the ones who settled in europe after conquests like the hungarians/magyars, the bulgars. and most of their migrations were due to losing territory within their former land so they had to push outward to reestablish their clan and tribe. wild and expansive history to learn.
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 1 year ago '04        #5
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 1 year ago '16        #6
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Many earlier genetic studies looked for the origins of Native Americans among the indigenous peoples of Siberia, Mongolia, and East Asia. Often, the identification of source populations conflicted between studies, depending largely on the loci or samples being studied. Cranial morphology has been used to demonstrate a connection between the Native Americans and Siberian populations.124, 125 Various researchers have suggested sources such as the Baikal region of southern Siberia, the Amur region of southeastern Siberia, and more generally Eurasia and East Asia.126, 127, 128 A study of autosomal loci also showed an affinity between populations in the New World and Siberian regions but did not attempt to pinpoint a particular area of Siberia as the source area.129 In addition, mtDNA studies have suggested New World origins from a number of different locations including different parts of Siberia, Mongolia, and northern China.34, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 47, 71, 130
Our own analysis of Altaian mtDNAs showed that the five primary haplogroups (A–D, X) were present among these populations. However, Altaian populations (and generally all Siberian populations outside of Chukotka) lack mtDNA haplotypes that are identical to those appearing in the Americas. The only exceptions are the Selk'ups and Evenks who bear A2 haplotypes, with their presence in those groups being explained as a result of a back migration to northeast Asia.107
Despite the general absence of Native American haplotypes in southern Siberia, there are sister branches whose MRCAs are shared with those in Native Americans. One such lineage is C1a, which was found in two Altai-kizhi individuals and has also been observed at low frequencies in Mongolia, southeastern Siberia, and Japan.44, 46, 55, 71 Tamm et al.107 attribute its presence in northeast Asia to a back migration from the New World, where haplogroups C1b–d are prevalent, whereas Starikovskaya et al.44 argue that C1a and C1b arose in the Amur region, with C1b migrating to the Americas later. A similar lineage is D4b1a2a1a, a sister branch to D4b1a2a1a1, which is found in northern North America. Although both of these lineages date to around 15,000 years ago, additional mitogenome sequences from these haplogroups are needed to estimate more precise TMRCAs for them and thereby delineate their putative Asian and American origins.
Results obtained from the Y chromosome analysis support the view that southern Siberians and Native Americans share a common source.8, 9, 11, 38, 131 This connection was initially suggested by a low-level Y-SNP resolution and an alphoid heteroduplex system by Santos et al.8 Subsequently, Zegura et al.11 showed a similarity in NRY Q and C types among southern Altaians and Native Americans by using only fast evolving Y-STR loci and, again, low-level Y-SNP resolution. We focused on haplogroup Q in this study because of the greater number of new mutations published for this branch and corresponding levels of Y-STR resolution (15–17 loci), which are currently lacking for published Native American haplogroup C Y chromosomes. This high-resolution characterization is critical because it allows for a more accurate dating of TMRCAs and estimates of divergence between the ancestors of Native Americans and indigenous Siberians. For example, with this approach, Seielstad et al.114 dated the origin of the M242, which defines the NRY haplogroup Q, and, in turn, provided a more accurate upper bound to the timing of the initial peopling of the Western Hemisphere.
Several studies have shown that the American-specific Q-M3 arose on an M346-positive Y chromosome.63, 115, 132 The M346 marker was also discovered in Altaians and other Siberian populations.102, 116 However, it has a broad geographic distribution, being found in Siberia, Central Asia, East Asia, India, and Pakistan, albeit at lower frequencies.85, 99 We have shown that southern Altaians M346 Y chromosomes also possess L54, a SNP marker that also is shared by Native Americans who have the M3 marker and which is more derived than M346. Because L54 is found in both Siberia and the Americas, it most probably defines the initial founder haplogroup from which M3 later developed.
Our coalescence analysis suggests that the two derived branches of L54 (M3 and L330/L334) diverged soon after this mutation arose. Estimates using the evolutionary Y-STR mutation rate place the origin of this marker at around 22,000 years ago, with the two branches diverging at roughly 13,400 years ago. Although the 95% confidence intervals for the Bayesian analyses are broad, the median values of the TMCRAs estimated with this method closely match those obtained through the analysis with rho statistics. In addition, the coalescence estimates of northern and southern Altaian Q Y chromosomes show that they, too, are similar to the overall TMRCA estimates. This concordance suggests that a rapid expansion probably occurred for this particular Y chromosome branch around 15,000–20,000 years ago. Given previous estimates for the timing of the initial peopling of the Americas, this scenario seems plausible, because these estimates fall in line with recent estimates of indigenous American mitogenomes.107, 133
As in any study, there are limitations to this analysis. The primary issues are the accuracy and precision of using microsatellites for dating origins and dispersals of haplotypes. The stochastic nature of mutational accumulation will continue to be a source of some uncertainty in any attempt at dating TMRCAs. For this reason, the question of which Y-STR mutation rate to use for coalescence estimates has been debated.88, 134, 135 In this study, the evolutionary rate seems the most realistic, because estimates generated with the pedigree rate provided times that are much too recent, given what is known about the peopling of the New World from nongenetic studies.117 There is no evidence that the majority of Native Americans (men with Q-M3 Y chromosomes) derived from a migration less than 8 kya, as would be suggested from the TMRCAs calculated with the pedigree rate. However, other studies have used the pedigree mutation rate to explore historical events with great effect—the most-well-known case being the Genghis Khan star cluster.136 It is possible that such rates are, like that of the mtDNA, time dependent or that the Y chromosomes to which the Y-STRs are linked have been affected by purifying selection.84, 133, 137, 138 In this regard, the pedigree-based mutation rate would be more appropriately used with lower diversity estimates, reflecting recent historical events, while the evolutionary rate would be used in scenarios with higher diversity estimates, reflecting more ancient phenomena. Although beyond the scope of this paper, it is likely that the Y-STR mutation rate follows a similarly shaped curve as that of the mitochondrial genome.
Furthermore, haplogroup divergence dates need not (and mostly do not) equate with population divergence dates. In this case, however, the mutations defining the southern Altaian and Native American branches of the Q-L54 lineage most probably arose after their ancestral populations split, given the geographic exclusivity of each derived marker. Yet, sample sets that are not entirely representative of a derived branch could potentially skew the coalescent results. In all likelihood, the L54 marker will be found in other southern Siberian populations, because southern Altaians show some genetic affinities with Tuvinians and other populations from the eastern Sayan region. Even so, the consistency of TMRCA estimates and the divergence dates for the different Q branches examined here suggest that our data sets are sufficiently representative. Moreover, even though the M3 haplotypes used in this analysis came exclusively from indigenous Ecuadorian populations, the diversity found within this data set is similar to previous estimates of the age of the Q-M3 haplogroup.11
Although different lines of evidence point to different source populations for Native Americans, the alternatives need not be exclusive. The effects of historical and demographic events and evolutionary processes, particularly recent gene flow, have shaped modern-day populations such that we should not expect that any one population in the Old World would show the same genetic composition as populations in the New World. That (an) ancestral population(s) probably differentiated into the numerous populations of Siberia and Central Asia, which have interacted over the past 15,000 years, is not lost on us. Historical expansions of people and the effects of animal and plant domestication have played critical roles in shaping the genetics of both Old and New World populations, particularly in the past several thousand years. Modern populations have complex, local histories that need to be understood if these are to be used in larger interregional (or biomedical) analyses. Through the use of phylogeographic methods, we can attain a better understanding of these populations for such purposes. It is through this type of approach that it becomes quite clear that southern Altaians and Native Americans share a recent common paternal ancestor.
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 1 year ago '12        #8
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 the_malicious said
Here is why this changes EVERYTHING about American history

Academia says the Greeks are the greatest europeans.
and that the Romans were the greatest european empire.


Constantinople was the Roman Empire's capital for over 1,000+ YEARS

People forget it was the Turks who officially ended the Roman Empire
Then they enslaved the Greeks for over 400 years
Then they took Constantinople and are still holding it till this day (Istanbul)

They did all that like it was nothing

But if the Native Americans and Turks are the same people


That means colonists came here talking white supremacy to the natives
when in reality during that time the cousins of native americans had just gave Europe some of their biggest L's


Was the slaughter of natives because europeans were salty af about those L's ?





Also notice how Greeks were enslaved the same amount of time as blacks
during the exact same time (1453-1821) but this isn't taught in most schools

Because it clearly contradicts the mythology of white supremacy
White supremacy isnít a myth tho
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 1 year ago '04        #9
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 ezduzit said
White supremacy isn’t a myth tho
I'm talking about the aryan master race sh*t white supremacists be talking

That is a fake mythology they made up
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 1 year ago '12        #10
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 the_malicious said
I'm talking about the aryan master race sh*t white supremacists be talking

That is a fake mythology they made up
I feel you
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 1 year ago '17        #11
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All them Siberians.

 1 year ago '16        #12
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 the_malicious said
Here is why this changes EVERYTHING about American history

Academia says the Greeks are the greatest europeans.
and that the Romans were the greatest european empire.


Constantinople was the Roman Empire's capital for over 1,000+ YEARS

People forget it was the Turks who officially ended the Roman Empire
Then they enslaved the Greeks for over 400 years
Then they took Constantinople and are still holding it to this day (Istanbul)


But if the Native Americans and Turks are the same people


That means colonists came here talking white supremacy to the natives
when in reality during that time the cousins of native americans had just gave europe some of their biggest L's and were enslaving the greeks

Some colonists did believe natives were related to the Turks
Was the slaughter of natives because europeans were salty af about those L's ?





Also notice how Greeks were enslaved the same amount of time as blacks
during the exact same time (1453-1821) but this isn't taught in most schools

Because it clearly destroys the idea europeans are somehow superior

The article isn't saying they're the same people.

They share a common ancestor, but they are not the same people.

The slaughter of Native Americans had nothing to do with this interesting bit of history. Disease, Christianity, and the pursuit of gold were the reasons Native Americans suffered such mass casualties.


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 1 year ago '05        #13
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Technically all humans are one


Technically
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 1 year ago '08        #14
Solitary Genius 
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Dope article...

Guess where I'm confused is we all share common ancestry at some point so how useful is this in terms of our time framing?

They might branch with the Turks at some point in the past but ultimately Native Americans are like a whole different groups of other groups.

From the aztecs (mexicans) to the Taino ppl with color and the Blackfoot & Lenape in the north who are also completely different
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 1 year ago '07        #15
Avon_Barksdale  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x126
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 1 year ago '04        #16
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 Aztlan said
The article isn't saying they're the same people.

They share a common ancestor, but they are not the same people.

The slaughter of Native Americans had nothing to do with this interesting bit of history. Disease, Christianity, and the pursuit of gold were the reasons Native Americans suffered such mass casualties.
What I said about europeans being salty was just tongue in cheek
because the elites like Thomas Jefferson believed Natives were Turks.

The founder of modern Turkey created the Turkish Historical Society.
They insist native americans are ethnic Turks but it's not based only on dna.



For example
Pre-Islamic shamanism of the Turks is almost identical to some native beliefs.
Language, cultural traditions, & many other things are why they're saying that.


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 1 year ago '19        #17
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 Avon_Barksdale said
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Bearing Strait land bridge from Russia to Alaska. It's underwater now but at one point it was usuable.







Even before that....... it was just one big continent, Pangea.







The Pangea theory was rediscovered by a Meteorologist in the early 1900s but wasn't accepted until the 70s cuz it woulda been a bad look for all these professional geologists to accept a theory by a Meteorologist
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 1 year ago '16        #18
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 Solitary Genius said
Dope article...

Guess where I'm confused is we all share common ancestry at some point so how useful is this in terms of our time framing?

They might branch with the Turks at some point in the past but ultimately Native Americans are like a whole different groups of other groups.

From the aztecs (mexicans) to the Taino ppl with color and the Blackfoot & Lenape in the north who are also completely different
Its useful in painting a more accurate picture of the peopling of the Americas.

For example, a better timeline as to when these groups in Siberia split. The genetic analysis in this study lined up with the suggested time frame of Beringia crossings that we have.

They even have a clue as to which groups in East Asia, traveled to America, and then came back to Asia for whatever reason.

The whole Turks and Native Americans are one is some cultural pride narrative drivel.

Everyone's focus should be in creating a clearer picture as to what occurred in Siberia 15-25kya.
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 1 year ago '11        #19
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 Aztlan said
Its useful in painting a more accurate picture of the peopling of the Americas.

For example, a better timeline as to when these groups in Siberia split. The genetic analysis in this study lined up with the suggested time frame of Beringia crossings that we have.

They even have a clue as to which groups in East Asia, traveled to America, and then came back to Asia for whatever reason.

The whole Turks and Native Americans are one is some cultural pride narrative drivel.

Everyone's focus should be in creating a clearer picture as to what occurred in Siberia 15-25kya.
Most likely a group of them said hell no we ainít going across that frozen ocean to Alaska.
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 1 year ago '16        #20
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 Anomic said
Bearing Strait land bridge from Russia to Alaska. It's underwater now but at one point it was usuable.







Even before that....... it was just one big continent, Pangea.







The Pangea theory was rediscovered by a Meteorologist in the early 1900s but wasn't accepted until the 70s cuz it woulda been a bad look for all these professional geologists to accept a theory by a Meteorologist
It wasn't accepted because he had no suitable explanation for what caused continental drift.

It wasn't until we could analyze stones and sh*t to determine their origin and we had a working theory of plate tectonics that it was then accepted as fact.
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 1 year ago '16        #21
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 Trolling said
Most likely a group of them said hell no we ainít going across that frozen ocean to Alaska.
I think they either showed up and were disappointed there were no bi*ches here, or they decided they weren't about that hunting Wooly Mammoths life
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 1 year ago '11        #22
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 Aztlan said
I think they either showed up and were disappointed there were no bi*ches here, or they decided they weren't about that hunting Wooly Mammoths life
I would be mad too. Like wtf we left warm weather for this sh*t.
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 1 year ago '04        #23
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 the_malicious said
Here is why this changes EVERYTHING about American history

Academia says the Greeks are the greatest europeans.
and that the Romans were the greatest european empire.


Constantinople was the Roman Empire's capital for over 1,000+ YEARS

People forget it was the Turks who officially ended the Roman Empire
Then they enslaved the Greeks for over 400 years
Then they took Constantinople and are still holding it to this day (Istanbul)


But if the Native Americans and Turks are the same people


That means colonists came here talking white supremacy to the natives
when in reality during that time the cousins of native americans had just gave europe some of their biggest L's


Also notice how Greeks were enslaved the same amount of time as blacks
during the exact same time (1453-1821) but this isn't taught in most schools

Because it clearly destroys the idea europeans are somehow superior
That's some history they don't teach
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 1 year ago '04        #24
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Turkey is making up bullsh*t so they can put claims towards American land.
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 1 year ago '19        #25
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sh*t is so crazy reading this. I just watched that whole Ottoman Empire series on Netflix yesterday
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