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Sep 12 - Unvaccinated and vaccinated people 'are not in the same ballpark' of risk
 

 
Amid fears of new variants emerging and evading COVID-19 vaccines, health experts are repeatedly pointing out that being fully vaccinated is very different from being unvaccinated.

“We have to be very clear about who we’re talking about,” Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency physician at Brigham and Women's Hospital and an instructor at Harvard Medical School, said on Yahoo Finance Live (video above). “The Delta variant is extraordinarily dangerous for the unvaccinated, and it presents a problem for the vaccinated that the previous variant did not, but they’re not in the same ballpark. When we see the implications of most breakthrough infections, it is a small fraction of the problem that we saw without vaccination.”

According to an analysis of 38 states and D.C. by the New York Times, unvaccinated Americans in those states were five times more likely than vaccinated Americans to be hospitalized with COVID-19 and eight times more likely to die. A CDC study found that between May 1 and July 25, 2021, unvaccinated residents of Los Angeles County, California, were 29 times more likely to be hospitalized by COVID-19 than their fully vaccinated counterparts.

The CDC recently announced that booster shots are now available for immunocompromised Americans, which includes those with certain underlying conditions or taking specific immunosuppressants.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) stated that boosters would become available for all Americans eight months after their second dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, beginning this fall. This was met with mixed reactions from the public.

“I think that given that we don’t have a real emergency on our hands with respect to breakthrough hospitalizations in the sense of we’re not having hospitals overflowing, it would be very wise to study what we should actually do, rather than guessing,” Faust said.

The World Health Organization (WHO) criticized the move and called for a moratorium on booster shots until the world reached vaccine equity. Many health experts are also cautioning against it because of a lack of evidence that it’s necessary.

Faust explained why he is apprehensive about widespread distribution of booster shots until the overall vaccination rate in the U.S. increases more.

“I think that Delta is an uncomfortable development because it makes it much worse for people who have no protection who were unvaccinated, and it causes more breakthrough cases than any other variant has in the past,” Faust said. “And a small subset of those people do have severe illness. The question is what to do about it. And I’m not convinced that boosting everybody is actually what’s necessary given the numbers that I’ve been crunching.”

Last month, Israel began administering a third dose of the Pfizer vaccine among those ages 60 and up, and found that it offered 5-6 times greater protection against serious illness and hospitalization after 10 days.

Nevertheless, "I don’t think that we would expect that boost to suddenly render everyone impervious to infection forever,” Faust said. “Again, it seems like a bandaid now. If you’re a very small country with a limited hospital capacity, that might be worth doing but you can only do it so often in terms of younger people. We really need to know what the benefit added is from the booster because the vaccine already provides tremendous protection against severe illness and worse.”

There are three COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the U.S. Pfizer (PFE)’s is 95% effective at preventing serious illness and death, though these numbers are lessened by the Delta variant, the vaccine from Moderna (MRNA) is 94.1% effective, while Johnson and Johnson (JNJ)’s is 86% effective.

“We now know that the vaccine also decreases long COVID,” Faust said. “So what is a third dose going to do to young people? And we’d like to know if a third dose has any side effects that really start to crop up. After the first dose, we had a couple of side effects, small numbers in young people, [and] after the second dose it went up. Will a third dose make it go further, or is it so far in time spaced away? That is more like the first dose — we don’t know. It’s a bad thing to just roll it out and see.”

For now, according to Faust, the key is to return to stopping the spread with proper social hygiene until vaccination rates improve.

“Until we have everyone vaccinated, we need to try to limit spread,” Faust said. “I think there’s been so much conversation about boosting that we’ve kind of forgotten about the basic things, which is to slow this down until everyone is fully protected."


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 2 weeks ago '20        #2
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Since 3rd injections are a real thing to be considered vaccinated for a brief moment in time what does “fully vaccinated” even mean?
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 BuiltForThis said
Since 3rd injections are a real thing to be considered vaccinated for a brief moment in time what does “fully vaccinated” even mean?
Fully vaccinated means 2 doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or 1 dose of the JnJ vaccine. Most Americans already know that, but somehow you spend your whole life in a news section on a message board and you are still astoundingly clueless about almost everything.
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 Ymmot said
Fully vaccinated means 2 doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or 1 dose of the JnJ vaccine. Most Americans already know that, but somehow you spend your whole life in a news section on a message board and you are still astoundingly clueless about almost everything.

Wouldn’t “being vaccinated” be an efficiency/ efficacy percentage that remained constant?





One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella. Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.

CDC recommends that people get MMR vaccine to protect against measles, mumps, and rubella. Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age.








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 2 weeks ago '17        #5
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 BuiltForThis said
Since 3rd injections are a real thing to be considered vaccinated for a brief moment in time what does “fully vaccinated” even mean?
"Should I get a third Covid shot?

A third dose of the vaccine is recommended for individuals that are moderately to severely immunocompromised.

“We want to give them a third dose to give them the immune response they need, that you and I are getting from our two-dose series,”

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 2 weeks ago '20        #6
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 Rich130 said
"Should I get a third Covid shot?

A third dose of the vaccine is recommended for individuals that are moderately to severely immunocompromised.

“We want to give them a third dose to give them the immune response they need, that you and I are getting from our two-dose series,”

Yep high risk go first.

The rest of the injection taking population will be starting on September 20th

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 2 weeks ago '15        #7
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Yet here we are trying to "protect the vaccinated"
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 2 weeks ago '20        #8
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 Still Numskull said
Yet here we are trying to "protect the vaccinated"
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 2 weeks ago '17        #9
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 BuiltForThis said
Yep high risk go first.

The rest of the injection taking population will be starting on September 20th

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 2 weeks ago '20        #10
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 Rich130 said
Do tell whom you believe any injections are meant for if not the high risk?


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 Still Numskull said
Yet here we are trying to "protect the vaccinated"
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 2 weeks ago '10        #12
Nautilus O  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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The Delta variant is extraordinarily dangerous for the unvaccinated,
That’s a lie.

The delta variant is extremely dangerous to the same people the original version of Covid was.

Anyone over the age of 65 with underlying conditions.

Millions of Americans catch coronavirus every month and are fine.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #13
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 Still Numskull said
Yet here we are trying to "protect the vaccinated"
You sound confused. People who are vaccinated are pretty well protected on their own; the government is still trying to protect the unvaccinated although I applaud Biden for coming out and saying we need to stop protecting the unvaccinated. If people aren't vaccinated at this point that's on them, and they're getting wiped out in middle America.
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 2 weeks ago '11        #14
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 Rich130 said
"Should I get a third Covid shot?

A third dose of the vaccine is recommended for individuals that are moderately to severely immunocompromised.

“We want to give them a third dose to give them the immune response they need, that you and I are getting from our two-dose series,”

So whats the 4th shot? 2.7 million Israeli's have taken the 3rd pfizer shot already because of the decrease in protection over time. How long do you have protection for on 2 shots?
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 2 weeks ago '17        #15
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 Pakchoy said
So whats the 4th shot? 2.7 million Israeli's have taken the 3rd pfizer shot already because of the decrease in protection over time. How long do you have protection for on 2 shots?
Israeli...

Israel.....







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 2 weeks ago '20        #16
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 Rich130 said
Israeli...

Israel.....







How many countries do you need for 3rd Wuhan injections to be your reality?
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 2 weeks ago '15        #17
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 Ymmot said
You sound confused. People who are vaccinated are pretty well protected on their own; the government is still trying to protect the unvaccinated although I applaud Biden for coming out and saying we need to stop protecting the unvaccinated. If people aren't vaccinated at this point that's on them, and they're getting wiped out in middle America.
Actually he said

We need to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated..




I also heard this same guy less than 3 months ago say if you were vaccinated you couldn't even get covid..
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 2 weeks ago '17        #18
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 Pakchoy said
So whats the 4th shot? 2.7 million Israeli's have taken the 3rd pfizer shot already because of the decrease in protection over time. How long do you have protection for on 2 shots?
Sucks for Israel, last time I checked I live in America and don't give a single fu*k about Israel. Here in America we only need 2 doses and a third dose is only recommended for certain immunocompromised people. Do you live in Israel? I don't understand why you sheep are so concerned about that small terrorist country.
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 Rich130 said
Israeli...

Israel.....







"B b b b but Israel is the most important place on Earth..."
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 2 weeks ago '17        #20
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 Still Numskull said
Actually he said

We need to protect the vaccinated against the unvaccinated..





I also heard this same guy less than 3 months ago say if you were vaccinated you couldn't even get covid..
Not the cherry picked video I'm talking about. He said soon we're going to stop protecting the unvaccinated, which I fully agree with. There's probably going to be a lot of lawsuits from unvaccinated crybaby bi*ches, but fu*k em.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #21
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QX-Anon not gonna like this

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 Class of 2017 said
QX-Anon not gonna like this

Luckily most of them have me blocked so they won't even see this sh*t and there won't be a bunch of morons commenting.
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 2 weeks ago '07        #23
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 Ymmot said
You sound confused. People who are vaccinated are pretty well protected on their own; the government is still trying to protect the unvaccinated although I applaud Biden for coming out and saying we need to stop protecting the unvaccinated. If people aren't vaccinated at this point that's on them, and they're getting wiped out in middle America.
Middle America? Now that school is starting we are now interacting with man parents and at both my children's schools alot of the parents are unvaccinated and upset the kids have to wear masks. They go to school in NYC, so now I'm starting to think these numbers aren't what they claim them to be.


Funny enough I knew it would be like this because when they tried to mandate the kids getting the flu shot all the parents said fu*k yall and they fell back.


And before you say something about minorities the zip code is 11217.
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 2 weeks ago '20        #24
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 Ymmot said
Sucks for Israel, last time I checked I live in America and don't give a single fu*k about Israel. Here in America we only need 2 doses and a third dose is only recommended for certain immunocompromised people. Do you live in Israel? I don't understand why you sheep are so concerned about that small terrorist country.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced that its Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBAC) will meet on Sep 17 to discuss COVID-19 vaccine third doses and specifically address the Pfizer-BioNTech supplemental Biologics License Application for administration of a third dose of that vaccine.

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 2 weeks ago '12        #25
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this BX not CNN.
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