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 1 week ago '07        #81
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 The Flyin Lion said:
I believe he said he was going to penalize large succesful American corporations/businesses that outsource their work to China and other countries with no minimum wage laws to make an extra buck. I could be wrong like I said i'm not a Trump guy but I thought that was his position on the campaign trail. If a company has to layoff employees because their profit can't support the positions I don't see how you can blame that on the president
I think the issue is about Trump's over promises of jobs being created. There's a memory theory that states something to the effect of "when people remember bad times, they don't seem as bad, even if it was hell at the time" and I think this is one of those things for you.

Donald Trump promised ALOT OF THINGS....Like ALOT OF THINGS. And what made it worse was that when people would debate him on things such as jobs, building a wall, healthcare, etc. his answer was basically "you're an idiot, I'll figure it out"

Now that the Trump bump is over, we're starting to see companies flatline a bit. While Boeing imo is kind of an unusual situation, as you stated this was the plan for the company since 2016, there are troubling signs from a President that has yet to put forth an agenda that will lead to sustained job growth. I don't agree with people's criticism of this particular situation, but I do agree with the sentiment of "where are these jobs Trump promised coming from exactly?"

It's going to get worse before it gets better imo but we're still early in his Presidency. But...Trump has NEVER held public office so doesn't understand what he's doing yet...which is troubling for America way past just jobs
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 GrezyNclean said:
I think the issue is about Trump's over promises of jobs being created. There's a memory theory that states something to the effect of "when people remember bad times, they don't seem as bad, even if it was hell at the time" and I think this is one of those things for you.

Donald Trump promised ALOT OF THINGS....Like ALOT OF THINGS. And what made it worse was that when people would debate him on things such as jobs, building a wall, healthcare, etc. his answer was basically "you're an idiot, I'll figure it out"

Now that the Trump bump is over, we're starting to see companies flatline a bit. While Boeing imo is kind of an unusual situation, as you stated this was the plan for the company since 2016, there are troubling signs from a President that has yet to put forth an agenda that will lead to sustained job growth. I don't agree with people's criticism of this particular situation, but I do agree with the sentiment of "where are these jobs Trump promised coming from exactly?"

It's going to get worse before it gets better imo but we're still early in his Presidency. But...Trump has NEVER held public office so doesn't understand what he's doing yet...which is troubling for America way past just jobs
Yea fu*k Trump all day.

But alot of people don't realize that all these things Trump has done and is blamed for every day in the main stream media, has been done and the precedent has been set by former presidents.

Like when he fired all the federal prosecutors, Clinton and Bush did the same thing, Clinton actually fired more. But the media was all over it.

Every candidate makes promises on the campaign trail they don't keep. And one thing I found really interesting, was how Obama's people were the ones who picked the countries for the travel ban and almost instituted it himself, but when Trump did it people were comparing him to Hitler.



Alot of people on this board don't know hot to look at politics objectively. Whenever i mention facts like the above, it sends people into a tizzy on here. Like I said I don't even like Trump I would never support him. If it was up to him there would be no unions and i'd be working at the supermarket bagging groceries instead of literally helping to build the the skyline in my city. Trust me when I say I don't support this clown, but i'm also mature enough where it annoys me to see people spewing nonsense and claiming its facts and then start the name calling when you prove them wrong. This younger generation coming up is all like that. They don't have to work for anything, mommy and daddy give them everything and treat them like friends when they turn into teenagers instead of being their parents because they wanna be "cool".
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 1 week ago '16        #83
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A severance from a big company can be a beautiful thing. With Boeing on the resume it should be easy to get another job.
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 The Flyin Lion said:
Yea fu*k Trump all day.

But alot of people don't realize that all these things Trump has done and is blamed for every day in the main stream media, has been done and the precedent has been set by former presidents.

Like when he fired all the federal prosecutors, Clinton and Bush did the same thing, Clinton actually fired more. But the media was all over it.

Every candidate makes promises on the campaign trail they don't keep. And one thing I found really interesting, was how Obama's people were the ones who picked the countries for the travel ban and almost instituted it himself, but when Trump did it people were comparing him to Hitler.

Alot of people on this board don't know hot to look at politics objectively. Whenever i mention facts like the above, it sends people into a tizzy on here. Like I said I don't even like Trump I would never support him. If it was up to him there would be no unions and i'd be working at the supermarket bagging groceries instead of literally helping to build the the skyline in my city. Trust me when I say I don't support this clown, but i'm also mature enough where it annoys me to see people spewing nonsense and claiming its facts and then start the name calling when you prove them wrong. This younger generation coming up is all like that. They don't have to work for anything, mommy and daddy give them everything and treat them like friends when they turn into teenagers instead of being their parents because they wanna be "cool".
So extreme stances are the norm in today's America. In my opinion it started with the Tea Party and their "no compromise" protests right after Obama got elected. Because of this and the power they amassed, the left is now pushing a far left no compromise stance as well. John Boehmer from Ohio talked about how much he hated the Tea Party when he was the House Speaker because of this new "my way or no way" stance. It has nothing to do with younger generation. To be honest younger people are more likely to compromise politically imo then the over 50 crowd.

As to your Obama comment, that's wrong / misleading. Yes Obama considered banning the countries he listed, but after talking with his advisers decided not to do it because he felt it was a bad idea (which turns out Obama may have been right about that). Same with the one military mission that Trump ok'd and went to sh*t. Just because the former President considered an option doesn't mean the next President has full range to implement it.

You're other comment I agree with, all Presidents blame for former for their negatives and take credit for positives. With that being said, Trump promised ALOT of things with no realistic plan or experience to do so. That is NOT the same as any other President. President Trump should NOT be judged as a regular political administration because he has NO prior experience. Do people go overboard with critism? Sure but when he flip flops as much as he does with his history of never doing anything in terms of running a government, I can only blame them so much.
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 GrezyNclean said:
So extreme stances are the norm in today's America. In my opinion it started with the Tea Party and their "no compromise" protests right after Obama got elected. Because of this and the power they amassed, the left is now pushing a far left no compromise stance as well. John Boehmer from Ohio talked about how much he hated the Tea Party when he was the House Speaker because of this new "my way or no way" stance. It has nothing to do with younger generation. To be honest younger people are more likely to compromise politically imo then the over 50 crowd.

As to your Obama comment, that's wrong / misleading. Yes Obama considered banning the countries he listed, but after talking with his advisers decided not to do it because he felt it was a bad idea (which turns out Obama may have been right about that). Same with the one military mission that Trump ok'd and went to sh*t. Just because the former President considered an option doesn't mean the next President has full range to implement it.

You're other comment I agree with, all Presidents blame for former for their negatives and take credit for positives. With that being said, Trump promised ALOT of things with no realistic plan or experience to do so. That is NOT the same as any other President. President Trump should NOT be judged as a regular political administration because he has NO prior experience. Do people go overboard with critism? Sure but when he flip flops as much as he does with his history of never doing anything in terms of running a government, I can only blame them so much.
All that tea party crap and birther movement sh*t was embaressing. Watching and listening to those people was like watching one of those UFO conspiracy theorists on those discovery channel shows. And it ignited a war between Democrats and Republicans. I was registered as an Independent in my early 20s before I realized democrat was the way to go and I had almost nothing in common with most Republican policians. The only "positive" about republicans is that they provide alot of tax cuts, but if you think about it, there was a 4 or 5 year period where Obama was handing out stimulus packages and tax cuts that were putting an extra $30 a week in our paychecks.

I think the #1 problem with the democratic party is the liberals. And I dont mean every liberal, just the "get in your face" "if you don't agree with me you're wrong" liberals. Or as we call them "screaming" liberals. That's why the GOP has control of both houses and the presidency. I think alot of democrats were getting worried at how socialist the party was getting, basically feeling like they hijacked the party and only push their own agenda.

I think that is the reason Trump won, alot of democrats voted for Trump but will never ever admit it if you ask them. I sat out because I couldn't vote myself to vote for her, I absolutely despise her. (she won my state by a landslide)
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 The Flyin Lion said:
I believe he said he was going to penalize large succesful American corporations/businesses that outsource their work to China and other countries with no minimum wage laws to make an extra buck. I could be wrong like I said i'm not a Trump guy but I thought that was his position on the campaign trail. If a company has to layoff employees because their profit can't support the positions I don't see how you can blame that on the president
Yeah, you can't force companies to spend more on employees paid when they can make the same thing at a lesser rate. That's why I feel most ppl are coming at him, he tried to act like he was more powerful then the laws of business. He lives in his own reality and ppl call him out on it. It's like when he said no one knew how hard healthcare was going to be. Are you fu*king kidding....but that's my president smh
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 The Flyin Lion said:
All that tea party crap and birther movement sh*t was embaressing. Watching and listening to those people was like watching one of those UFO conspiracy theorists on those discovery channel shows. And it ignited a war between Democrats and Republicans. I was registered as an Independent in my early 20s before I realized democrat was the way to go and I had almost nothing in common with most Republican policians. The only "positive" about republicans is that they provide alot of tax cuts, but if you think about it, there was a 4 or 5 year period where Obama was handing out stimulus packages and tax cuts that were putting an extra $30 a week in our paychecks.

I think the #1 problem with the democratic party is the liberals. And I dont mean every liberal, just the "get in your face" "if you don't agree with me you're wrong" liberals. Or as we call them "screaming" liberals. That's why the GOP has control of both houses and the presidency. I think alot of democrats were getting worried at how socialist the party was getting, basically feeling like they hijacked the party and only push their own agenda.

I think that is the reason Trump won, alot of democrats voted for Trump but will never ever admit it if you ask them. I sat out because I couldn't vote myself to vote for her, I absolutely despise her. (she won my state by a landslide)
Ur last comment is why Trump won. I know ALOT of left leaning people who didn't want to vote for her. While I think most of it was media driven, Trump won due to a hatred of Clinton vs support of Trump.

It's wild because now we have a President with no experience running the country
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 Fantastic said:
Dont think anyone was under the impression of unlimited amounts of jobs.
these angry, desperate folks cling to anything


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 BrezzieWeh said:
Yeah, you can't force companies to spend more on employees paid when they can make the same thing at a lesser rate. That's why I feel most ppl are coming at him, he tried to act like he was more powerful then the laws of business. He lives in his own reality and ppl call him out on it. It's like when he said no one knew how hard healthcare was going to be. Are you fu*king kidding....but that's my president smh
 GrezyNclean said:
Ur last comment is why Trump won. I know ALOT of left leaning people who didn't want to vote for her. While I think most of it was media driven, Trump won due to a hatred of Clinton vs support of Trump.

It's wild because now we have a President with no experience running the country
I agree, but I think Hilary would have flushed this country right down the toilet. She knows too much, knows too many people, and is too well connected. I mean her husband was president for 8 years and she was a senator and sec of state. I'm still in shock that democratic party thought she was a good candidate (more on that in a second). As much as an elitist and connected as Trump is, Hilary had soooo many backdoor deals with so many differen tSuper Pacs, Labor Unions, Non-Profits, Banks, Businesses and the Democratic National Comitee itself! They screwed Bernie etc etc that she would have destroyed the country. She wanted nothing more than POWER. You really have to be power hungry to accept the secretary of state job from a president who beat your a.ss in the primaries and who's name you dragged through the mud.

As much as I dislike Trump, I dont think he will fu*k this country up that bad. He's not smart enough to do permanent damage. He can't even get his bills passed and his party is in controls The House and The Senate. I think alot of Democrats realized that and called him on his bluffs and voted for him hoping for the best. The unfortunate part is I think alot of the middle America democrats are starting to like him. And I question alot of these polls they conduct on his approval rating. They forecasted he would lose the election by one of the widest margins in history after the "fu*k her right in the pus*y" thing but he still went on to win.


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 The Flyin Lion said:
But alot of people don't realize that all these things Trump has done...has been done and the precedent has been set by former presidents.
Lost me there... there's normal things he's done that presidents do like bringing in his own people (I don't think there was a big fuss made over that but I won't argue it if you think so), but he's far from being able to say there's precedent for a lot things he's done in his first 80 days. And Obama didn't try to stop all immigration from those countries so miss me with that. That line is what is known as a red herring and a talking point. That pointed out that there are some security risk at those spots.
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 The Flyin Lion said:
I agree, but I think Hilary would have flushed this country right down the toilet. She knows too much, knows too many people, and is too well connected. I mean her husband was president for 8 years and she was a senator and sec of state. I'm still in shock that democratic party thought she was a good candidate (more on that in a second). As much as an elitist and connected as Trump is, Hilary had soooo many backdoor deals with so many differen tSuper Pacs, Labor Unions, Non-Profits, Banks, Businesses and the Democratic National Comitee itself! They screwed Bernie etc etc that she would have destroyed the country. She wanted nothing more than POWER. You really have to be power hungry to accept the secretary of state job from a president who beat your a.ss in the primaries and who's name you dragged through the mud.

As much as I dislike Trump, I dont think he will fu*k this country up that bad. He's not smart enough to do permanent damage. He can't even get his bills passed and his party is in controls The House and The Senate. I think alot of Democrats realized that and called him on his bluffs and voted for him hoping for the best. The unfortunate part is I think alot of the middle America democrats are starting to like him. And I question alot of these polls they conduct on his approval rating. They forecasted he would lose the election by one of the widest margins in history after the "fu*k her right in the pus*y" thing but he still went on to win.
So....yea...I respect your opinion but you may be too caught up in media promotion. U can't really say "I don't think he (Trump) will fu*k this country up that bad" because you don't know. No one does. Again, he's NEVER held office, and never stuck to one side of an issue so no one can say they really know much about what he'll do. Just recently Trump gave an interview about possibly backing off building a wall so....there u go.

In addition, I'm not sure what Trump's approval rating is but most Americans hate him..its probably between 30 - 40%. Remember 52% of Americans voted for Clinton, Trump won because of the Electoral College. So he went in with a support rate of under 50%. After all there's damn near a march every month against this guy and areas that were stark Republican are now challenged by Dems.

Will this last? Who knows, but there's enough out there to prove he's in the gutter in terms of approval. Again people didn't vote for Trump because they supported him. Like urself they voted against Hilary Clinton, which imo you should NEVER do because you get a guy like Trump in office that you have no clue what's going to happen.

I wanted John Kasich to win as he was willing to negotiate with Democrats, keep Obamacare in place with adjustments, and was all about tax cuts
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 BrezzieWeh said:
Lost me there... there's normal things he's done that presidents do like bringing in his own people (I don't think there was a big fuss made over that but I won't argue it if you think so), but he's far from being able to say there's precedent for a lot things he's done in his first 80 days. And Obama didn't try to stop all immigration from those countries so miss me with that. That line is what is known as a red herring and a talking point. That pointed out that there are some security risk at those spots.
That was only brought up after the mainstream media called him out for picking those countries. It was more of him just being a clueless idiot and not being political savvy he just piggy backed off a discarded Obama administration policy and thought it would go over smoothly. The problem I have is that the media attacked him over it calling him incompetent and it rightfully got shut down immediately, but if Obama had done it people would have seen it as a necessary evil to protect the country.

I'm not taking Trumps side here, I would rather Obama have stayed for a 3rd term then have Trump right now. But I have an issue with the media picking sides, that is a recipe for disaster. There used to be a difference between "The Headlines" and "The Editorial" or "Opinon" section in the newspaper. Now the headlines are the opinion section and the opinion section is a red herring of recycled garbage.
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 GrezyNclean said:
So....yea...I respect your opinion but you may be too caught up in media promotion. U can't really say "I don't think he (Trump) will fu*k this country up that bad" because you don't know. No one does. Again, he's NEVER held office, and never stuck to one side of an issue so no one can say they really know much about what he'll do. Just recently Trump gave an interview about possibly backing off building a wall so....there u go.

In addition, I'm not sure what Trump's approval rating is but most Americans hate him..its probably between 30 - 40%. Remember 52% of Americans voted for Clinton, Trump won because of the Electoral College. So he went in with a support rate of under 50%. After all there's damn near a march every month against this guy and areas that were stark Republican are now challenged by Dems.

Will this last? Who knows, but there's enough out there to prove he's in the gutter in terms of approval. Again people didn't vote for Trump because they supported him. Like urself they voted against Hilary Clinton, which imo you should NEVER do because you get a guy like Trump in office that you have no clue what's going to happen.

I wanted John Kasich to win as he was willing to negotiate with Democrats, keep Obamacare in place with adjustments, and was all about tax cuts

I didn't like anybody from this election on either side. The DNC and Podesta it turns out colluded to finally give Hilary the nomination after 2 previous failed attempts. I wish they would have found a fresh face like Obama in 08 or Clinton in 92. It was really disappointing as a Democrat to see that. I still believe in the ideals of the party (healthcare for all, same s3x marriage rights, pro choice) but I'm disgusted with the DNC after that sh*t they pulled on Bernie even though I can't stand him.

The party is also going a little far too left for my liking. I've always been a supporter of same s3x unions and marriage rights but all of a sudden I'm a bigot if i don't think some guy in a dress and make up shouldn't be able to use the ladies room.

I'm really hoping someone energizing comes out of the Democratic party next election and that Bernie and Hilary stay out of it in every way.
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 The Flyin Lion said:
I agree, but I think Hilary would have flushed this country right down the toilet.
I'm not arguing trump v hilary, we already had that. All I'm saying is he is being criticized on this issue, because he made it seem he had some way of making this company keep its workers and now they are not, as they said they wouldn't the whole time. The only person who didnt realize trump couldn't make this happen was trump

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but if Obama had done it people would have seen it as a necessary evil to protect the country.
Nah man, you can't do that. Obama wouldn't have done this because he and ppl that were part of his administration have said they believe it's not constitutional. You can't throw trump's most controversial policy, that goes against the previous president's immigration policy and say 'if the previous president did it, it would have been OK.' First, he wouldn't have; second, it would not have been OK if he did and he'd get called out on it too
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 BrezzieWeh said:
I'm not arguing trump v hilary, we already had that. All I'm saying is he is being criticized on this issue, because he made it seem he had some way of making this company keep its workers and now they are not, as they said they wouldn't the whole time. The only person who didnt realize trump couldn't make this happen was trump



Nah man, you can't do that. Obama wouldn't have done this because he and ppl that were part of his administration have said they believe it's not constitutional. You can't throw trump's most controversial policy, that goes against the previous president's immigration policy and say 'if the previous president did it, it would have been OK.' First, he wouldn't have; second, it would not have been OK if he did and he'd get called out on it too
It was ok when other prezs fired federal prosecutor's. Trump did it and it was a big deal. That proves my point right there
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 The Flyin Lion said:
It was ok when other prezs fired federal prosecutor's. Trump did it and it was a big deal. That proves my point right there
You're bringing up something I'm not arguing, so I don't know what point you're proving. I also said in a earlier post replacing people is something all presidents do and I don't have a problem with it; so again, I don't know what point you're proving.
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