MPC_Pase said What’s funny is for the people making a Kobe comparison if you look at the numbers Both Kobe and Mellos FGA and percentages are pretty much damn near the same... with Mello being slightly more efficient and think about the fact that Kobe didn’t start his first two years. Kobe was a ball stopper and his team mates would literally stand around and watch him go 1 on 3 or 4 at times

Very true but Kobe won using that strategy with Gasol, Artest and Odom. Not a great team but Kobe willed them to win and played D. Carmelo never came close. Kobe worked hard during the off seasons as well. Carmelo was always smooth coming into the season aka no muscle.

marcusaka50 said Melo was better shooter and 3 point shooter

That was my point but the difference in career numbers is negligible

Brucebaner2 said No disrespect to you but excuses are like as*holes, everyone has one. Lebron was playing with MoWilliam's, Illgastskus, Boobie Gibson, Varrejo and was getting to the finals. Lebron wish he could've played with Iverson or Chauncey in those days. Let's just keep it real, Carmelo was good offensively but that was it. He never won by himself, he never tried to play defense, he never made anyone better, he never adapted or improved his game. He is ranked at the bottom of of the superstars of that era for me.

its ok to not be a melo fan...not everybody is a kemba walker fan...lebron made the finals in the eastern conference...melo was in a stronger conference..lebron had a easier path....the east was trash when lebron went to the finals to go against a team that melo lost too in the playoffs but didn't get swept like lebron's cavs team...lebron went to miami and created his own team...that was originally suppose to be melo and wade instead of bosh...melo took his team to the playoffs his rookie year...lebron didn't take his team to the playoffs his rookie year..melo has always had a harder path.....I'm sure lebron would want iverson or a Chauncey billups too but not with nene camby martin injury prone a.sses...you not winning sh*t if your main role players are injured...

MPC_Pase said That was my point but the difference in career numbers is negligible

god kissed kobe on the cheek..its life tho..winning a championship is a combination of being in the right place at the right time.....melo had injury prone nene martin camby amare...i wonder if lamar odom and pau was injury prone would kobe still will his team to a title...I doubt it...i wonder if love and kyrie wasn't injury prone would lebron win two championships in cavs.....injuries tell the full story..

Brucebaner2 said Very true but Kobe won using that strategy with Gasol, Artest and Odom. Not a great team but Kobe willed them to win and played D. Carmelo never came close. Kobe worked hard during the off seasons as well. Carmelo was always smooth coming into the season aka no muscle.

Kobe didn’t will them to win... it was well built team. Not a super team but a team built to work around Kobe. Mello was rarely on a well constructed team and when he was they were competitive. Denver was a lottery team before Mello but made the playoffs every year he was there including the WCF. The only year that he had a good team around him in NY the won 55 games.

Brucebaner2 said Very true but Kobe won using that strategy with Gasol, Artest and Odom. Not a great team but Kobe willed them to win and played D. Carmelo never came close. Kobe worked hard during the off seasons as well. Carmelo was always smooth coming into the season aka no muscle.

ron artest closed out the finals series..without ron artest turning into jordan...lakers are not winning that year..lakers were on the verge of becoming a super team because of bynum...nobody could stop bynum...bynum became injury prone and top the dynasty from happening

marcusaka50 said ron artest closed out the finals series..without ron artest turning into jordan...lakers are not winning that year..lakers were on the verge of becoming a super team because of bynum...nobody could stop bynum...bynum became injury prone and top the dynasty from happening

Very true on the last part.

The season he started flashing the consistent dominance Lakers fans expected, they got overwhelmed by Dallas. When they traded him for Dwight, people were claiming a new Dynasty was beginning. Not to mention their fan base hyped up every 2nd round pick around that time as being apart of the next era of Lakers basketball. Derrick Caracter Devin Ebanks and Andrew Goudelock

marcusaka50 said its ok to not be a melo fan...not everybody is a kemba walker fan...lebron made the finals in the eastern conference...melo was in a stronger conference..lebron had a easier path....the east was trash when lebron went to the finals to go against a team that melo lost too in the playoffs but didn't get swept like lebron's cavs team...lebron went to miami and created his own team...that was originally suppose to be melo and wade instead of bosh...melo took his team to the playoffs his rookie year...lebron didn't take his team to the playoffs his rookie year..melo has always had a harder path.....I'm sure lebron would want iverson or a Chauncey billups too but not with nene camby martin injury prone a.sses...you not winning sh*t if your main role players are injured...

Even more excuses, Lebron was beating teams in the west, they were winning 60 plus games at that time. Anyone can get injured, what happened when Carmelo was on the Knicks and Jeremy Lin gave them their longest win streak? Was this because Carmelo was injured? BTW, Carmelo was in the East as well, a weak East. How did he do? Would you say he over performed? I remember ONE season that they won 50 plus games. Why do all coaches say the same things about Melo? Great offense, selfish, no defense, etc......He is the biggest disappointment that I can remember, you know the biggest irony? When he played on the 2016 Olympics he lead that team to a gold medal and it wasnt debated that he was the best player during that run. All this proves is Carmelo can be great if he has other great players around him. The true great can be great regardless of who is on the court.

marcusaka50 said ron artest closed out the finals series..without ron artest turning into jordan...lakers are not winning that year..lakers were on the verge of becoming a super team because of bynum...nobody could stop bynum...bynum became injury prone and top the dynasty from happening

The point is Kobe allowed Ron Artest to be a super hero. Carmelo would have never done that. Kobe passed alot to Artest in that corner.

MHP Trotty said Very true on the last part. The season he started flashing the consistent dominance Lakers fans expected, they got overwhelmed by Dallas. When they traded him for Dwight, people were claiming a new Dynasty was beginning. Not to mention their fan base hyped up every 2nd round pick around that time as being apart of the next era of Lakers basketball. Derrick Caracter Devin Ebanks and Andrew Goudelock

bro nothing against kobe but kobe was originally drafted to the hornets.. do you think kobe has 3 times in his career to have a 2 different times to have potential dynasty roster if he is a hornet?.....kobe had 3 times in his career where the organization he played for build a championship roster ....nobody wanted to come to the lakers after kobe got to age 33...

Brucebaner2 said Even more excuses, Lebron was beating teams in the west, they were winning 60 plus games at that time. Anyone can get injured, what happened when Carmelo was on the Knicks and Jeremy Lin gave them their longest win streak? Was this because Carmelo was injured? BTW, Carmelo was in the East as well, a weak East. How did he do? Would you say he over performed? I remember ONE season that they won 50 plus games. Why do all coaches say the same things about Melo? Great offense, selfish, no defense, etc......He is the biggest disappointment that I can remember, you know the biggest irony? When he played on the 2016 Olympics he lead that team to a gold medal and it wasnt debated that he was the best player during that run. All this proves is Carmelo can be great if he has other great players around him. The true great can be great regardless of who is on the court.

the regular season record don't mean sh*t...you play 82 games against mostly weak teams...cavs couldn't beat the top 5 teams in the west in a 7 game series...cavs couldn't beat the nuggests in a 7 game series...you want melo to win a championship with jermery lin...lmao this is the sh*t im talking about lebron can win with two allstars in their prime but melo has to win a championship with jeremey lin....lmao...yall just not fans of melo..its ok im not fans of every player either...some players i don't care about if they win a ring regardless of how good they are...

MPC_Pase said Kobe didn’t will them to win... it was well built team. Not a super team but a team built to work around Kobe. Mello was rarely on a well constructed team and when he was they were competitive. Denver was a lottery team before Mello but made the playoffs every year he was there including the WCF. The only year that he had a good team around him in NY the won 55 games.

I cannot agree with you, Carmelo did not listen to any coaching strategy that took the ball out of his hands. Mike D and Phil Jackson both had the 2 second rule that Carmelo could care less about. Dribbling most of the shot clock and chucking a shot does not sound like greatness. He won those 54 games when he was the 4, righ where he wanted to be. One on one with 4s. It was good for him......

He had Knick teams that Lebron would have went to the finals with. What did Melo do in the playoffs during his 7 seasons with the Knicks??

Brucebaner2 said I cannot agree with you, Carmelo did not listen to any coaching strategy that took the ball out of his hands. Mike D and Phil Jackson both had the 2 second rule that Carmelo could care less about. Dribbling most of the shot clock and chucking a shot does not sound like greatness. He won those 54 games when he was the 4, righ where he wanted to be. One on one with 4s. It was good for him...... He had Knick teams that Lebron would have went to the finals with. What did Melo do in the playoffs during his 7 seasons with the Knicks??

lebron was not winning a championship with the roster melo had on the knicks..lebron can't win with just any players....he would of won more rings if that was the case...melo didn't pass the ball because his team was mediocre..jr smith was his 2nd option player

Brucebaner2 said I cannot agree with you, Carmelo did not listen to any coaching strategy that took the ball out of his hands. Mike D and Phil Jackson both had the 2 second rule that Carmelo could care less about. Dribbling most of the shot clock and chucking a shot does not sound like greatness. He won those 54 games when he was the 4, righ where he wanted to be. One on one with 4s. It was good for him...... He had Knick teams that Lebron would have went to the finals with. What did Melo do in the playoffs during his 7 seasons with the Knicks??

Why are you comparing melo to a once in a generation talent like LeBron ?

Is it melo's fault Amare Stoudemire was washed up after 1 season, that's the main reason he went to the Knicks in the first place

Flippa Huxtable said Why are you comparing melo to a once in a generation talent like LeBron ? Is it melo's fault Amare Stoudemire was washed up after 1 season, that's the main reason he went to the Knicks in the first place

they didn't follow melo's career like that ...they don't want to admit it..they just listen to people on tv who are casual stans with a mircrophone

His greatest accomplishments have nothing to do with the league.

NCAA Champ
3x Gold Medalist

MPC_Pase said That was my point but the difference in career numbers is negligible

melo could do whatever kobe could do..

DoctorNBA said His greatest accomplishments have nothing to do with the league. NCAA Champ 3x Gold Medalist

most hof players from baseball to football are mostly in the hof because of their individually stats and achievements

mrep3 said Facts he had a real good run, no rings tho, at least he ain’t no bitter a.ss Charles Barkley

Barkely aint bitter, he just think he is entitled like a white male because he is rich and conservative

Rule 336 said You n*ggas sound dumb af. Did you watch games? This n*gga said the coaches made them pass the ball. Kobe & MJ were always high iq players. AI made beautiful passes all the time within the flow of the game. Melo is purely a scorer and always has been.

Completely understated part of his game. Dude is 45th all time in a.ssists. I believe if he had a more offensive minded supporting cast that aspect of his game would have shone more.

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Brucebaner2 said The point is Kobe allowed Ron Artest to be a super hero. Carmelo would have never done that. Kobe passed alot to Artest in that corner.

ron artest took over because he is a grit and grind type of player...and he wasn't injured unlike amare

Good career, its time to retire

Brucebaner2 said The point is Kobe allowed Ron Artest to be a super hero. Carmelo would have never done that. Kobe passed alot to Artest in that corner.

Kobe shot 6/24 he didn't show up in the biggest game of his career
Him and pau took more free throws than the whole Boston team

Boston was robbed

Brucebaner2 said I cannot agree with you, Carmelo did not listen to any coaching strategy that took the ball out of his hands. Mike D and Phil Jackson both had the 2 second rule that Carmelo could care less about. Dribbling most of the shot clock and chucking a shot does not sound like greatness. He won those 54 games when he was the 4, righ where he wanted to be. One on one with 4s. It was good for him...... He had Knick teams that Lebron would have went to the finals with. What did Melo do in the playoffs during his 7 seasons with the Knicks??

Bit that’s just it... Kobe didn’t listen to coaches... not even phil all the time. Looks what PHIL said when he left LA the first time. Kobe was an incredible talent and one of the greatest to ever play but he was a hyper competitive selfish high volume scorer that often disregarded the coaches on called sets and play hero ball. The lakers built a team that worked around that. d’antoni didn’t try to build a system that maximized mellos talents. He tried to change Mello and what made him effective neither did George Carl. The irony there is that his best years record wise we’re with Melo.

MPC_Pase said Bit that’s just it... Kobe didn’t listen to coaches... not even phil all the time. Looks what PHIL said when he left LA the first time. Kobe was an incredible talent and one of the greatest to ever play but he was a hyper competitive selfish high volume scorer that often disregarded the coaches on called sets and play hero ball. The lakers built a team that worked around that. d’antoni didn’t try to build a system that maximized mellos talents. He tried to change Mello and what made him effective neither did George Carl. The irony there is that his best years record wise we’re with Melo.

the media aint about to do my n*gga melo like this.....they on some high school sh*t...they said melo never wanted to switch up his game or get in better shape....he switched his game up from posting all the time and lost weight to be more agile.....lmao.....they said he wouldn't listen to anybody or didn't want change his game or stay in shape or switch up his weight ...i don't take nobody on tv serious no more...they got people to entertain and bills to pay too..mike d has a system that didn't fit melo's game...lmao...who's fault is this?