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 1 week ago '17        #51
Fortune 178 heat pts178
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 Soaring Seagull said
Nah fam. "if they like you they'll pay you". If that's the case there would be no argument about liveable wages. Profit is the number one goal of a business. If they can replace you with a computer they will, period. No businessman is out here saying "well I can save 40,000 a month if I use four kiosks instead of workers, but I like them so fu*k it".
again. I am speaking from a business owners perspective.

if ppl like you then they will shop with you. I.e. pay you. this is why the human element of customer service is important.

not if they like their employees they will pay them.

serious question. Do you or have you ever owned a business?


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 1 week ago '14        #52
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 Fortune said
again. I am speaking from a business owners perspective.

if ppl like you then they will shop with you. I.e. pay you. this is why the human element of customer service is important.

not if they like their employees they will pay them.

serious question. Do you or have you ever owned a business?
No. But I'm a consumer of goods and I can tell you that I could care less about whether my service is though a human or a machine as long as it gets done. What business do you own and how does the human experience set it apart from other modern models?
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 1 week ago '12        #53
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If you canít pay an employee thatís willing to work, a living wage, I donít think you deserve to have a business with employees other than yourself.
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 1 week ago '17        #54
Fortune 178 heat pts178
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 Soaring Seagull said
No. But I'm a consumer of goods and I can tell you that I could care less about whether my service is though a human or a machine as long as it gets done. What business do you own and how does the human experience set it apart from other modern models?
won't get too personal in that regard

but I can tell you that a large percentage of repeat customers and ppl that have brought in new customers rave about good customer service. it's at the top of their list.

a machine won't net you those results. you would have to come up with something else to generate that same level of basic warm feeling.

I too am a consumer of goods as well, and if anywhere that I am shopping or what have you has sh*tty customer service, I'm out. treat me well. I'm literally putting money in your pocket.

 1 week ago '14        #55
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 Fortune said
won't get too personal in that regard

but I can tell you that a large percentage of repeat customers and ppl that have brought in new customers rave about good customer service. it's at the top of their list.

a machine won't net you those results. you would have to come up with something else to generate that same level of basic warm feeling.

I too am a consumer of goods as well, and if anywhere that I am shopping or what have you has sh*tty customer service, I'm out. treat me well. I'm literally putting money in your pocket.
I understand that. I think that's good business as well as common sense. Now consider this..... Where am I more likely to have an unsatisfactory experience. Through machines that operate almost flawlessly or through human error? Think about it. How many times as a cashier failed to give back the right amount of change or had a bad day, called out sick, or made other mistakes? You get rid of all of that by using computers AND you don't have to pay. You know why you can go to Walmart and see 2 cashier isles open? Because people can check themselves out. Again, no businessman is paying people to do jobs that a machine will do for free just because. Didn't Amazon just open a store with literally no cashiers at all?

Bottom line is that these businesses will do whatever they can to increase their dollar, just like you said yourself. And that includes paying sh*t wages. (this doesn't necessarily apply to small businesses).
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 1 week ago '04        #56
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 Binary said
There are a bunch of jobs that do not deserve to pay 15.00 for a starting wage.

And on the other side of that coin there a bunch of jobs that you can start at 15.00 or more

Iím sure we can all agree that

McDonaldís
Starbucks
Entry level car detailers
Cashiers
Retail a*sociates
Loss prevention
Etc

Donít deserve a 15 minimum wage.

But you can find jobs such as forklift operators, machine operators(paper mill), and other entry level jobs like those will pay 15 or above.

Here in Wisconsin, especially the fox valley area you can earn between 15.00 to 19.50 an hour for working at a paper plant and those are entry level positions.

I know by experience there are a ton of people who fled Chicago-land to come up north in Wisconsin to get paid more and taxed less.
These are all multi-billion dollar companies... I don't understand the issue. I'm sure wages reach no where near 30% of their yearly take in. "Deserve" is a weird word. It's like you want those people to be at a certain level so you feel good about where you're at.
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 1 week ago '15        #57
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 ahHLeckzz said
I mean you do need cashiers right? You cant even live in new york independently making 15 dollars an hour. Anything less and the job should just come with shackles and a whip.
When people say sh*t like that they essentially deem workers that make up a vast number of honest jobs as below worthy of living with a comfortable wage.

Any American working 40 hours a week should be able to prosper without being a budget fiend and having to work 40+ hours with hustles to make ends meet. People want the person cooking their food or bagging their groceries to live below poverty because they feel they’ve earned something more.

Crab mentality.
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 1 week ago '08        #58
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 Standin Taller said
Doubt them or the panthers wanted to give the USA government full control.

Carry on however
you're right, they didnt want to give the capitalist corrupted government full control.....

but do yaself a favor n do some actual research on the black socialist party

 1 week ago '19        #59
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 Solitary Genius said
you're right, they didnt want to give the capitalist corrupted government full control.....

but do yaself a favor n do some actual research on the black socialist party
reparations would be nice. That’s why they are socialist.

U just can’t comprehend what socialism in America would actually look like. And it won’t be “black” socialism
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 1 week ago '17        #60
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 Binary said
There are a bunch of jobs that do not deserve to pay 15.00 for a starting wage.

And on the other side of that coin there a bunch of jobs that you can start at 15.00 or more

Iím sure we can all agree that

McDonaldís
Starbucks
Entry level car detailers
Cashiers
Retail a*sociates
Loss prevention
Etc

Donít deserve a 15 minimum wage.

But you can find jobs such as forklift operators, machine operators(paper mill), and other entry level jobs like those will pay 15 or above.

Here in Wisconsin, especially the fox valley area you can earn between 15.00 to 19.50 an hour for working at a paper plant and those are entry level positions.

I know by experience there are a ton of people who fled Chicago-land to come up north in Wisconsin to get paid more and taxed less.

They ain't doing sh*t but making it easier to be lazy. Be pissed off when I see highschool kids looking for an after school job or sh*t like that and can't get it cause no job lazy people make careers out of jobs they should be sick to settle for. If you working fast food and grown(not in college) you should get paid like you the lack of drive you obviously have.

 1 week ago '08        #61
Solitary Genius 54 heat pts54
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 Standin Taller said
reparations would be nice. Thatís why they are socialist.

U just canít comprehend what socialism in America would actually look like. And it wonít be ďblackĒ socialism
cool... just switch ya avatar sambo.... you're clearly confused
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 1 week ago '17        #62
Fortune 178 heat pts178
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 Soaring Seagull said
I understand that. I think that's good business as well as common sense. Now consider this..... Where am I more likely to have an unsatisfactory experience. Through machines that operate almost flawlessly or through human error? Think about it. How many times as a cashier failed to give back the right amount of change or had a bad day, called out sick, or made other mistakes? You get rid of all of that by using computers AND you don't have to pay. You know why you can go to Walmart and see 2 cashier isles open? Because people can check themselves out. Again, no businessman is paying people to do jobs that a machine will do for free just because. Didn't Amazon just open a store with literally no cashiers at all?

Bottom line is that these businesses will do whatever they can to increase their dollar, just like you said yourself. And that includes paying sh*t wages. (this doesn't necessarily apply to small businesses).
I feel you, but human error doesn't equal bad customer service

in fact, human error is one of your greatest opportunities to have an extremely loyal customer who will bring you more business. it is all about either how the person who committed the error handles it, or how management handles it. if you do it properly they will have endlessly about how well they were treated even when something bad intitially happened.

also machines are very prone to error as well. ever went to an ATM and it was completely offline? have you ever called somewhere and they only had the automated, button prompt, customer service nbr -- that couldn't seem to understand you no matter what? remember how irritated you were you couldn't speak to a person lol?

I'm not one of the people who are anti corporation so I don't have negative feelings towards big business.

so let's say that 15 is the minimum, now multiply that times maybe a hundred thousand workers of that position. that's a lot of money biz wise.

next you will inenevitably have to pay ppl in higher psotions more, because who wants more responsibility at just a fraction of a pay increase?

now some people will say well high those big guys in the suits are making millions they could take less

why? because its the "right" thing to do? by who's definition of right? who are they to say?

mental work is extremely draining and the entire operation wouldn't exist without you. it's a manifestation of your mind. they are not easily replaceable either. I don't see a prob with ppl higher up the ladder being paid that way.

and the small business owners would be crunched the most by this.

either way homie, much respect. Good convo


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 1 week ago '17        #63
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 Fortune said
again. I am speaking from a business owners perspective.

if ppl like you then they will shop with you. I.e. pay you. this is why the human element of customer service is important.

not if they like their employees they will pay them.

serious question. Do you or have you ever owned a business?
Facts. I'll drive out my way for certain sh*t just because of interactions in previous visits.
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 1 week ago '04        #64
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 Aztlan said
If your business can't afford to pay its employees a living wage, then a business that can will replace it.

Places like Seattle aren't devoid of essential and miscellaneous businesses, despite hiking minimum wage and accommodating small businesses with options as to how to reach the $15 minimum wage.

So no, I'm not worried about business. They'll be just fine in the long-term.
So a "living wage" in every state across the USA is $15/hour? You have appropriately determined that to be livable in all states across the US?
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 1 week ago '19        #65
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 Solitary Genius said
cool... just switch ya avatar sambo.... you're clearly confused
Lol

Who the fu*k u think u is?

I got an avi of 2 black males about black power but only socialist can respect them.

U lick white mans boots tom
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 1 week ago '04        #66
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 jewelz1132 said
These are all multi-billion dollar companies... I don't understand the issue. I'm sure wages reach no where near 30% of their yearly take in. "Deserve" is a weird word. It's like you want those people to be at a certain level so you feel good about where you're at.
true...all 2 of the actual companies listed on his list.

 1 week ago '19        #67
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 JJH35 said
So a "living wage" in every state across the USA is $15/hour? You have appropriately determined that to be livable in all states across the US?
Rep. Bobby Scott, Virginia Democrat, has introduced a bill that would more than double the federal minimum wage to $15 per hour by 2024.

Consider a business with seven minimum wage workers. Doubling those wages will cost the small-business owner an extra $122,000 per year.


To cover those expenses, a business operating on the typical 10 percent profit margin would have to boost annual sales by $1.2 million ó a near impossibility for most small businesses.

To pay higher hourly wages without running in the red, most businesses will have to raise prices (which can lower business volume) or cut costs. The latter is done through layoffs, reducing workersí hours or benefits, raising prices, or forgoing investments in the business. None of those things is good for workers or the businessís long-term success.

 1 week ago '08        #68
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 Standin Taller said
Lol

Who the fu*k u think u is?

I got an avi of 2 black males about black power but only socialist can respect them.

U lick white mans boots tom
you respect em the same way donald trump respects Dr. King on MLK day... on the surface

 1 week ago '17        #69
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The rich get richer and the poor get excuses about it being their fault. "That job doesnt deserve $15 an hour..." Well, the cost of living doesnt support your argument. Im starting to agree with the universal income crowd, something has to give.
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 1 week ago '17        #70
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 GremFandango said
Facts. I'll drive out my way for certain sh*t just because of interactions in previous visits.
on god

I do the same sh*t...it makes a diff frfr

 1 week ago '04        #71
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 Mperfection said
The rich get richer and the poor get excuses about it being their fault. "That job doesnt deserve $15 an hour..." Well, the cost of living doesnt support your argument. Im starting to agree with the universal income crowd, something has to give.
Who is getting richer based on the article? Every single business operating in the states mentioned...every single business operating under a state issued min wage was already banking and just loaded and rich?
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 1 week ago '19        #72
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 Solitary Genius said
you respect em the same way donald trump respects Dr. King on MLK day... on the surface
Oh wow.

U a dumb broke bum.

Let’s get this straight......u think the type of socialism America will willing enter would be in the best interest of black Americans first


How dumb are you really?

 1 week ago '16        #73
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 Soaring Seagull said
Well how much do you expect people to make? Think about it, if you make 15 an hour NOW then you're still probably not able to afford bills and your wage is considered a higher than the current minimum.
I don't "expect" people to make anything. I don't rationalize things starting from that point.

A person needs to make enough for their life situation, regardless of what that situation is. If you aren't making enough for your life situation, your first reaction shouldn't be "they" aren't paying me enough or they're doing my life wrong lol.

Waiting for a minimum wage hike is a passive approach to a real problem. What are you doing to mitigate it? Waiting for that minimum wage hike is not the productive way to meet your problem. There's gotta be an upward path in your crosshairs.
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 1 week ago '06        #74
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The money is going back to the banks anyway so who gives a fu*k..

Greedy bastards man I donít care how anyone looks at this whether economically or socially. People just need to stop being greedy or something 911ish will happen again. And very soon
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I didnít read but how the fu*k is New York losing jobs and sh*t when the price of minimum wage is not enough to support your days of living in my. Wtf.
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