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Mar 10 - Proposed Alabama Law Would Require A Drug Test Before Receiving Food Stamps


 


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 2 weeks ago '12        #51
OldBusiness 176 heat pts176
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 slim_d20 said
aint going back and forth with you dumb n*gga. ignore list expanded.
You arent smart enough.

You been ignoring truth your entire life
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 2 weeks ago '11        #52
Tony Franks 6 heat pts
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Drug test congress and all other jobs paid by the public. Then we can talk about the welfare recipients. They arent the ones making drugged up decisions that can destroy the world

....and this is where the debate usually dies. As soon as you mention drug testing the drug testers.


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 2 weeks ago '04        #53
qutaboi225 55 heat pts55
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 Gold Face said
Itís sad that yíall liberals are so soft you canít look a human in the face and say whatís it gonna be drugs or food boss. Your choice you a full grown adult
Wait til they figure out who's REALLY on drugs........
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 2 weeks ago '14        #54
Bigboi781 27 heat pts27
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 OldBusiness said
Multiple states have tried it, and its failed every time.

Stats and past attempts proved they end up spending more on the drug testing than they do catching people/saving money.

I remember Paul Ryan's district tried this back on like 07 and out of like 2500 people who took a drug test the only person to come up hot was a VETERAN who couldnt afford his pills, so he started bumming them off another veteran who felt bad for him

For the 7 states that have tried:




They're literally throwing money into the fire for no reason rather than spending it on job & training programs that could get people off welfare

Rather than provide training to make people great contributors to society, they would rather invest in wasteful ways to make them poor
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare donít want to get off, itís free and easy money.
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 2 weeks ago '07        #55
tre0624 122 heat pts122
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 Gold Face said
Itís sad that yíall liberals are so soft you canít look a human in the face and say whatís it gonna be drugs or food boss. Your choice you a full grown adult
u dumb a*s i can see. wtf does being on drugs have to do with feeding your family. dumbass

 2 weeks ago '06        #56
Skateboard T 49 heat pts49
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 slim_d20 said
There are many non-drug using taxpayers that say that providing SNAP benefits to people who don't even care about their own fu*king health is also government waste.
Ok? Do you care to make some kind of logical connection there? Or did you just want to say it?
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 2 weeks ago '06        #57
Skateboard T 49 heat pts49
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 Bigboi781 said
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare donít want to get off, itís free and easy money.
Most people on welfare work multiple jobs actually. Nice try though.

 2 weeks ago '14        #58
Bigboi781 27 heat pts27
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 Skateboard T said
Most people on welfare work multiple jobs actually. Nice try though.
My step mother works with people on welfare and government a*sistance. There are certain loopholes that allow people to get free housing and free food especially when you have kids so stop acting like you know what youíre talking about.
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 2 weeks ago '05        #59
slim_d20 21 heat pts21
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 Tony Franks said
Drug test congress and all other jobs laid by the public. Then we can talk about the welfare recipients. They arent the ones making drugged up decisions that can destroy the world

....and this is where the debate usually dies. As soon as you mention drug testing the drug testers.
I'm a government employee and before that 5 years as a military contractor and before that a member of the USAF. I've been drug tested multiple times per year in order to receive my job and benefits and security clearance. Government employees already get drug tested AND they actually work for what they get instead of sitting around waiting for SNAP.
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 2 weeks ago '05        #60
slim_d20 21 heat pts21
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 Skateboard T said
Ok? Do you care to make some kind of logical connection there? Or did you just want to say it?
The connection is that you are trying to make arguments based on some type of morality code that doesn't exist. Whatever you have said in this thread can easily be countered by the exact opposite argument.
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 2 weeks ago '18        #61
MayneThaTruth2 35 heat pts35
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 Sphynx said
This is one of those laws that laws that will pass because in their minds it feels like they'll be further hurting communities of color when it reality it'll be methed out, barefoot, walmart dwellers who suffer most
No, they just wanna fu*k up the party for everyone. It aint a race issue.

 2 weeks ago '10        #62
quan3106 101 heat pts101
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Half jobs donít drug test cuz of the cost but the government have the resources private sector dosent...sound like some southern over reach sh*t..most people who get food stamps work and receive them based on their income disparity..a lot of students without parents with the resources use them and the elderly and disabled use them...this sh*t dumb

 2 weeks ago '04        #63
DJ Maximum|M 62 heat pts62
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I dont see a problem with this if they test for only hard drugs or prescription drugs and only if the resources for testing dont cost more than the same amount

but we already have a problem with food stamps its in a system now where we cant get rid of it if we wanted to. Food and Drug stores depend on food stamps and actually it helps the goverment out too they give them the money and then turn right around and collect it easier on taxes. Ive read a investigative report that most grocery stores income is based on 40 percent of food stamps so think about it. If they stopped it in the country alot of companies would fold.

 2 weeks ago '04        #64
erickonasis 23 heat pts23
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 Skateboard T said
Waste of resources. People game these systems all the time and the drug testing companies make billions. Meanwhile, the "problem" you thought you were solving isn't solved at all.

You want to get people off drugs? Allow police to divert to rehab instead of jail, create drug courts in every county and every federal district .
I have to admit this is a great post and here we have the below

ZERO dollars dedicated to the opioid crisis


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 2 weeks ago '17        #65
TheLastNonEarth 109 heat pts109
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 slim_d20 said
There are many non-drug using taxpayers that say that providing SNAP benefits to people who don't even care about their own fu*king health is also government waste.


Most people on SNAP work. We should ask them how they feel about their tax dollars being spent on people who don't care about their own health (them):




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Another interesting point is that SNAP costs nowhere near the amount of money to individual tax payers that people a*sume it does... It's funny that I've yet to hear anyone complain about corporate welfare (subsidies)


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 2 weeks ago '17        #66
QdobaCasanova 12 heat pts12
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 OldBusiness said
Then you obviously didnt learn sh*t from that education cause if you read my posts in the thread and the link I dropped you would see that less than 1 percent of them are "junkiez"..they're just poor.

And then you're a person from detroit arguing against the idea of the government you pay for-the same government that damn near eradicated your city-needing to do more to empower its citizens.

You're multiple levels of stupid I'd need a whole week to lay it all out
Damn, why u do all that to buddy?
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 2 weeks ago '05        #67
hbk83 1 heat pts
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 Skateboard T said
Waste of resources. People game these systems all the time and the drug testing companies make billions. Meanwhile, the "problem" you thought you were solving isn't solved at all.

You want to get people off drugs? Allow police to divert to rehab instead of jail, create drug courts in every county and every federal district .
That doesn’t work either. In states where they have rehab programs drugs are just as bad. People game that system as well, because number 1 Black People still get sent to prison. Only a certain color benefits from it but then they get out and keep using because they know they are going to a rehab program and not jail. 2nd , you can’t really help a drug abuser that much except going cold turkey in prison and it costs less too. As long as drugs are around people will keep using. Heard several junkies say they rather get high then have s*x. For those who never did heavy drugs. Could you not have s*x for the rest of your life ? Atleast with these laws we aren’t paying for them anymore.

 2 weeks ago '05        #68
hbk83 1 heat pts
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 Bigboi781 said
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare don’t want to get off, it’s free and easy money.
This
All facts.
I remember offering to get my ex cousin a job. Told her she would make twice as much as she is being paid. She would just need to pay for a sitter but she would still have more money in the end. Chick was like nope. That was 5 years ago. She still don’t work and gets free government a*sistance.
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 2 weeks ago '05        #69
Soprano ATL 45 heat pts45
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 Bigboi781 said
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare donít want to get off, itís free and easy money.
That's why instead of this bullsh*t, they should do something different. How about requiring a job with at least 30 hours a week. If no job, you must spend 30 hours doing volunteer work/community service/job training/school to receive benefits. If you don't hit 30 hours per week +-10 for the month, you don't get your benefits.
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 2 weeks ago '04        #70
WhoThaFuk 2 heat pts
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Most people on Welfare work so.... I guess this is another one out of the ďpeople on welfare must be lazy and on drugsĒ propaganda bag. Meanwhile, Amazon pays $0 income tax on 11 billion. People hide billions from the government. But! Itís the welfare queens living high on the hog with a whole $500/mth in cash + $800 in food stamps spit amongst 4 people Yaaay! You probably live in squalor yaaay!
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 2 weeks ago '15        #71
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Will the elected officials submit to the same drug testing?




Better yet, the corporate welfare program should also require drug testing in order to receive benefits.



MAGA!!!!! one person at a time, and like always, start at the top and let it trickle down
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 2 weeks ago '17        #72
TheLastNonEarth 109 heat pts109
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 Bigboi781 said
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare donít want to get off, itís free and easy money.
 hbk83 said
This
All facts.
I remember offering to get my ex cousin a job. Told her she would make twice as much as she is being paid. She would just need to pay for a sitter but she would still have more money in the end. Chick was like nope. That was 5 years ago. She still donít work and gets free government a*sistance.
Most people on welfare donít want to get off,


Most are the working poor who can't afford to get off. These are not opinions. These are government facts directly from the CBC.
They have the data.




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While two-thirds of participants are children, elderly, and people with disabilities, who are not expected to work, SNAP also helps workers, both to supplement low wages and support them when they are between jobs
Our analysis of employment and SNAP participation trends among working-age adults who are not receiving disability benefits finds:

Nearly three-quarters of adults who participate in SNAP in a typical month work either that month or within a year of that month of participation. Over half of individuals who were participating in SNAP in a typical month in mid-2012 were working in that month. Furthermore, 74 percent worked in the year before or after that month (in the 25-month period). Rates were even higher when work among other household members is counted: 81 percent of SNAP households with a non-disabled adult, and 87 percent of households with children and a non-disabled adult, included at least one member who worked in this 25-month period.
SNAP participants often experience periods of joblessness and are more likely to participate in SNAP when they are out of work. Individuals who participated in SNAP at any point over a 3.5-year period from 2009 through 2013 worked most months over this period, but were more likely to participate when they were out of work. They participated in SNAP in over two-fifths of the months that they were working (44 percent). They participated in SNAP in 62 percent of the months in which they were not working, a time when their income was lower and their need for help affording food was higher



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I remember offering to get my ex cousin a job


You can't take a few subjective cases and extrapolate on that. You're forming an opinion about a demographic that includes millions of people based on a few examples? Your cousin is in the extreme minority. Records are kept on these people. Most have at least 1 person who worked within the year in their household.
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 2 weeks ago '12        #73
OldBusiness 176 heat pts176
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 Bigboi781 said
Damn, this forum has posters that live in lala land. They have all types of programs to get you off welfare. Most people on welfare donít want to get off, itís free and easy money.
Literally every form of data that exists suggests those able to work, want to work.

Those not wanting to work are the elderly and veterans who live in predominantly caucasian neighborhoods.

You're just regurgitating dumbass talking points in dispute of statistics and facts.

Log off and go do some research dumbass. Dont reply to me, goto the thottie section or wild ish section where thinking is far from a requirement
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 2 weeks ago '12        #74
OldBusiness 176 heat pts176
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Most are the working poor who can't afford to get off. These are not opinions. These are government facts directly from the CBC.
They have the data.




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While two-thirds of participants are children, elderly, and people with disabilities, who are not expected to work, SNAP also helps workers, both to supplement low wages and support them when they are between jobs
Our analysis of employment and SNAP participation trends among working-age adults who are not receiving disability benefits finds:

Nearly three-quarters of adults who participate in SNAP in a typical month work either that month or within a year of that month of participation. Over half of individuals who were participating in SNAP in a typical month in mid-2012 were working in that month. Furthermore, 74 percent worked in the year before or after that month (in the 25-month period). Rates were even higher when work among other household members is counted: 81 percent of SNAP households with a non-disabled adult, and 87 percent of households with children and a non-disabled adult, included at least one member who worked in this 25-month period.
SNAP participants often experience periods of joblessness and are more likely to participate in SNAP when they are out of work. Individuals who participated in SNAP at any point over a 3.5-year period from 2009 through 2013 worked most months over this period, but were more likely to participate when they were out of work. They participated in SNAP in over two-fifths of the months that they were working (44 percent). They participated in SNAP in 62 percent of the months in which they were not working, a time when their income was lower and their need for help affording food was higher



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You can't take a few subjective cases and extrapolate on that. You're forming an opinion about a demographic that includes millions of people based on a few examples? Your cousin is in the extreme minority. Records are kept on these people. Most have at least 1 person who worked within the year in their household.
They're to stupid fam.

They dont realize were bringing up information from the actual government. Im Not being nice to the willfully ignorant anymore lol

They're to stupid to realize if we put these people to work, and no longer had to subsidize their benefits

OUR TAXES WOULD GO DOWN ALSO. Everyone wins
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 2 weeks ago '14        #75
Bigboi781 27 heat pts27
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 OldBusiness said
Literally every form of data that exists suggests those able to work, want to work.

Those not wanting to work are the elderly and veterans who live in predominantly caucasian neighborhoods.

You're just regurgitating dumbass talking points in dispute of statistics and facts.

Log off and go do some research dumbass. Dont reply to me, goto the thottie section or wild ish section where thinking is far from a requirement
Who tf mentioned anything about race? You sound like an idiot. My family works with people on welfare. My family has taken care of children with their moms on welfare. You can work at McDonalds, that doesnít mean youíre trying to get off welfare. Welfare has too many loopholes that makes it easy to get free money. If you donít get this, you just simply are naive
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