Schefter: NFL taking Millions in cap space from Redskins and Cowboys

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 6 years ago '07        #221
Syphernix 9 heat pts
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i'd like to thank those teams once again, they help the giants re-sign T2

:) thank you
 6 years ago '09        #222
Spiffy 34 heat pts34
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Okay, since there are so many people on here who don't understand NFL "caponomics", let me clear this all up for y'all.

1) All 32 teams were notified in writing that 2010 salary cap dumps were not going to be allowed.

2) 2010 being an uncapped year is essentially meaningless in this discussion. There was no salary cap limit for that year, however there were strict instructions given to all 32 teams that they were not permitted to "dump" salary into an uncapped year to remove future cap obligations.

3) "Dumping" cap, as referenced above, essentially amounted to cheating the system. You could re-sign a player to a $40 million contract over 4 years and pay him $37 million in 2010 and $1 million each of the next 3 years. This is what the Skins essentially did with Hall and Haynesworth and the Cowboys did with Austin. They dumped their salaries in 2010, despite explicit instructions not to from the league office, in order to free up more space for 2011-beyond.

4) Had all 32 teams ignored the memo and dumped salary galore, this would be a non issue. However, 28 teams followed the rules. 2 teams (NO and Oak) tiptoed the line between following it and not following it and were given a slap on the wrist. The Cowboys and Redskins blatantly ignored the league mandate in order to get an unfair advantage over their competition (how'd that work out for them?).

5) The Cowboys and Redskins were given six notifications from the league office that what they were doing violated the league directive and still opted to proceed.

6) The league office's approval of every deal is irrelevant. Contract restructures happen all the time and I've never heard of the league not allowing one of them. They couldn't say "no, Dallas you can't pay Miles Austin that way". It's Dallas' right to pay players how they see fit. However, the league most certainly can take them to task over ignoring a mandate that everyone else followed.

7) I've heard Cowboy and Redskin fans say this is lesser-valued owners getting back at the two richest owners in the game. That's @#$%. They are getting back at the owners who attempted to break the rules and cheat the system. Had Carolina and Arizona done the same thing with Larry Fitzgerald and DeAngelo Williams, I'm sure they would have complained as well. The fact that this action is going against Jones and Dan Snyder is purely coincidental. Actually, it's not, because they are the two NFL owners arrogant enough to think they could break the rules and not be held accountable for that.

8) The NFL had the "30% rule in place" before the 2010 free agency period even started. So this is not some retroactive penalty that gets forced at the commissioner's whim. This is a rule that a lot of football "capologists" knew they were breaking for years, even before the 2010 uncapped free agency period wrapped up.

9) What really gets me is that certain Dallas and Washington fans actually think that they are being penalized for being shrewd. They think that the Dallas and Washington front offices were the only ones who discovered this loophole and now other teams are retaliating out of jealousy. That cracks me up. The Redskins have, over the last 15 years, had arguably the worst front office in pro football (besides Cincinnati perhaps) and yet their fanbase is giving them credit for discovering this stellar, super-stealthy way of tricking the other teams to wipe away salary cap. Really? There are front offices in New England, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh which due a fantastic job every year. Did you really think that your genius front office in Dallas and Washington discovered this loophole while the 28 other front offices, many of who are infinitely more competent, missed it?
 6 years ago '07        #223
KING*TITO 46 heat pts46
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 HELLZWINTA202 said:
Translation............




PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH DOCUMENTATION SAYING THIS SO WE CAN HAVE SUSAN THE SECRETARY MAKE COPIES OF THAT sh*t ON THE BURGUNDY AND GOLD COLORED PRINTER SO WE CAN TAKE YOUR a.ss TO COURT, AND SMACK EARTH WIND AND FIRE OUTTA YOUR LEGAL TEAM....


AND FURTHER MORE, IF THEY fu*kIN GAVE US "6 WARNINGS ABOUT FRONT LOADING CONTRACTS", WHY THE fu*k DID THEY CONTINUE TO APPROVE THE CONTRACTS?????
Like I said earlier, the Commish gave them enough rope so they can hang themselves..
 6 years ago '04        #224
refuze 284 heat pts284
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NFL has more to lose by penalizing the Redskins and Cowboys. They won't win in court simply because no documentation was given. The league continued to approve front-loaded contracts. Why didn't they veto them?

And it's obvious some of you people on here are just blatant haters that don't even see the logic as to why the Skins and Cowboys are mad about this. If it were your team being penalized, you would have thrown a fit as well. Haters gon' hate.
 6 years ago '07        #225
KING*TITO 46 heat pts46
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 refuze said:
NFL has more to lose by penalizing the Redskins and Cowboys. They won't win in court simply because no documentation was given. The league continued to approve front-loaded contracts. Why didn't they veto them?

And it's obvious some of you people on here are just blatant haters that don't even see the logic as to why the Skins and Cowboys are mad about this. If it were your team being penalized, you would have thrown a fit as well. Haters gon' hate.
It's a multi-billion $$$ business.. It's cut throat business, like I said, the NFL gave them rope so they could hang themselves.. They basically dared any team to dump salaries. In a court of justice, a verbal contract holds weight. It's already been stated that ALL teams were verbaly warned.

Here's a good read on the situation and maybe why the league approved the contracts in that uncapped year,

Q: Why is this happening now, the day before free agency?

A: The answer to that lies in the reason it took so long for the league to establish and announce this year's salary cap. The union must sign off on the cap before it is approved, and it obviously took issue initially with the idea of punishing teams for spending money in an uncapped year. But the league was toying with the idea of lowering this year's salary cap, and used this issue as a bargaining chip with the union. Basically, if the union agreed to the punishment for the Redskins and Cowboys, the cap would be $120.6 million, as it is now. But if they refused, the league was prepared to make the cap lower. I don't know by how much, but say for the sake of argument they wanted to drop it to $116 million per team. That'd have been a total of $128 million when spread across 32 teams — a significant loss to the players if they agreed to it.
The Cowboys and Redskins went for the bait and now are pawns in the leagues actions to lower the Cap to $116 million..






Ya fuk'd!!!


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 6 years ago '05        #226
Soprano ATL 43 heat pts43
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 refuze said:
NFL has more to lose by penalizing the Redskins and Cowboys. They won't win in court simply because no documentation was given. The league continued to approve front-loaded contracts. Why didn't they veto them?

And it's obvious some of you people on here are just blatant haters that don't even see the logic as to why the Skins and Cowboys are mad about this. If it were your team being penalized, you would have thrown a fit as well. Haters gon' hate.
Documentation is not needed, verbal contracts hold equal weight in court. Also, the nfl will tie this up in court for years if they sue, so either way this cap space is gone. Just accept it, it's a fact.
 6 years ago '05        #227
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Jerruh and Danny should walk into the next owners meeting and say they wont participate in revenue sharing anymore... theres only about 5 teams (NYG, PIT, GB and ?????) who wouldn't sh*t their pants in that scenario.
 6 years ago '05        #228
Soprano ATL 43 heat pts43
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 natural said:
Jerruh and Danny should walk into the next owners meeting and say they wont participate in revenue sharing anymore... theres only about 5 teams (NYG, PIT, GB and ?????) who wouldn't sh*t their pants in that scenario.
They don't have the right to do so, they signed into a deal that requires them to. I swear, bx got some of the dumbest muthafu*kas on the face of the earth.
 6 years ago '05        #229
Soprano ATL 43 heat pts43
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Btw, this isn't collusion because under the CBA there is a specific definition of collusion that the owners signed off on, and this does not fall under that definition. Sorry skins fans, just read up on it. Your owner should have paid more attention to what he signed on to.
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