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 6 days ago '14        #26
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 kami said
ya'll love defending this quack who tells the same story over and over in different settings.

he never grew as a film maker.

he also has a weird thing for sodomy and the liberal use of "******"
Meant to slap
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 6 days ago '15        #27
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 Kdub31 said
Bruce lee saying he could beat up Ali has nothing to do with this. They were both alive and in their prime when he was talking sh*t.

QT wants to justify disrespecting a dead legend. Idk why he didnt make a fictional character instead of using his name
His point is Bruce was arrogant to say he could just be up one of the greatest boxers of all time.
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 5 days ago '12        #28
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I get what QT saying itís a fictional character . If he say he can beat Bruce lee then he can
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 5 days ago '05        #29
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 JFamis said
People worry too much about paying respect to the dead. At the end of the day, we're all just worm food no matter who you are.

And I never really saw the scene as disrespectful either. Sure he gets tossed into a car, but he jumps right back up from it. Who the fu*k cares?
this is how i felt after i saw the scene...and i'm sure if the scene went on bit longer ..bruce would have beat the sh*t out of cliffs....also the only stunt man to get at bruce lee on the set of the green hornet was.... judo gene lebell


Debunking Quentin Tarantino's 'Mockery' of Bruce Lee


The real story of Bruce Lee’s confrontation with a grizzled Hollywood stuntman is far more complex than what’s depicted in Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood.

The scene pisses me off, but there’s a grain of truth to it.

Brad Pitt as broken-down stuntman Cliff Booth kicks Bruce Lee’s (Mike Moh’s) a*s on the set of The Green Hornet in Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood, Tarantino’s epic revisionist history of Tinseltown. Pitt gets to look cool, while Bruce Lee — a breakthrough Asian film star — is turned into kooky Asian comic relief akin to Mickey Rooney sporting yellowface as the Japanese landlord in Breakfast at Tiffany’s. And with all of Pitt’s punchlines and Moh’s pratfalls, the older White dudes in theater 11 at the Century 16 Bayfair in San Leandro cackled like crazy.

Bruce Lee’s daughter, Shannon Lee, called the portrayal of Lee in Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood a “mockery.” While she’s not wrong, there actually was a stuntman who locked horns with Lee on the set of The Green Hornet in 1966.

He’s now 87 years old and enjoying semiretirement in Sherman Oaks, California, after a career crashing cars, being set on fire and wrestling bears. “Judo” Gene LeBell was known in the business as the toughest man alive, and I should know since I co-authored his autobiography, The Godfather of Grappling.

According to LeBell, Lee was a working stiff on the set of The Green Hornet but was kicking the sh*t out of the stuntmen. They couldn’t convince him that he could go easy and it would still look great on film. The show’s stunt coordinator, Bennie Dobbins, needed a ringer to deal with Lee, so he called in Judo Gene.

LeBell says when he got to the set, Dobbins told him to put Lee “in a headlock or something.”

So LeBell went up and grabbed Lee. “He started making all those noises that he became famous for,” LeBell said, “but he didn’t try to counter me, so I think he was more surprised than anything else.”

Then LeBell lifted Lee onto his back in what’s called a fireman’s carry and ran around the set with him.

“Put me down or I’ll k*ll you!” Lee screamed.

“I can’t put you down or you’ll k*ll me,” LeBell said, holding Lee there as long as he dared before putting him down, saying, “Hey, Bruce, don’t k*ll me. Just kidding, champ.”

Back on his feet again, Lee didn’t k*ll LeBell. Instead, Lee recognized that the lack of grappling was a deficiency in the Jeet Kune Do style of martial arts he was developing. So Lee trained with LeBell for a little over a year with LeBell showing Lee armbars, leg locks and takedowns, and Lee schooling LeBell in kung fu kicks.

After training with LeBell, Lee incorporated grappling moves into his film f*ghting. He finishes off Chuck Norris with a chokehold in Way of the Dragon (1972) and beats a young Sammo Hung with an armbar in Enter the Dragon (1973).

“I didn’t go to Hong Kong with him for Enter the Dragon, but when he came back, he told me, ‘I did this armbar to show you,’” LeBell recalled. Lee died before Enter the Dragon — his ultimate career accomplishment and posthumous breakthrough as a global movie and martial arts star — but he did return to Hollywood after completing the film in a frantic bid to line up his next projects.

While they trained together, LeBell became Lee’s favorite kicking dummy in episodes of The Green Hornet and Longstreet. “He really liked the way I took falls for him,” LeBell says.

When I talked to LeBell last night, he was blissfully unaware that Brad Pitt was playing a cowboy fantasy version of him in Once Upon a Time … in Hollywood.

“It’s a lot of bullsh*t,” LeBell said. “But you can’t eat glory.”

But actually knowing LeBell makes Tarantino’s fiction all the more galling. In his cute little scene, Tarantino sells both Lee and LeBell short.

When LeBell scooped Lee up on the set of The Green Hornet, he was already a world-class martial artist when there weren’t that many in the United States. LeBell was a two-time national judo champion. He had also trained and wrestled at the Kōdōkan in Tokyo, the mecca of judo. He had fought and won what many consider to be the first mixed martial arts f*ght when he took on ranked light heavyweight boxer Milo Savage in 1963.

LeBell’s mother, Aileen Eaton, was the top boxing and wrestling promoter in Los Angeles, so LeBell was learning chokeholds from guys like Ed “Strangler” Lewis when he was just 7 years old. LeBell parlayed his pain-inducing skills into careers in martial arts, professional wrestling and Hollywood stunt work, making him the ultimate a*s-kicking Renaissance man, as well as a true son of the City of Angels.

And this is what it took to just pick up Bruce Lee and clown him during a TV shoot. Somebody like Brad Pitt’s Cliff Booth would have just been one of the guys begging the show’s stunt coordinator to call in Judo Gene. So when LeBell asks me to track down Tarantino to set the record straight, the only thing I can do is say yes.

“You’ve gotta put Bruce Lee over,” LeBell said during our phone conversation. “He means so much to martial arts. You’ve gotta put him over, Bob.”

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 5 days ago '04        #30
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 Emperor85 said
i'm sure if the scene went on bit longer ..bruce would have beat the sh*t out of cliffs....
Nah, the scene actually was longer at first, the f*ght choreographer came out and revealed that Tarantino wanted Lee to get knocked on his a*s the third round again and lose the f*ght.

The choreographer and Bradd pitt both had to object to get Tarantino to change it.
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 5 days ago '05        #31
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 psylence2k said
Nah, the scene actually was longer at first, the f*ght choreographer came out and revealed that Tarantino wanted Lee to get knocked on his a*s the third round again and lose the f*ght.

The choreographer and Bradd pitt both had to object to get Tarantino to change it.
had no clue, got a link?
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 5 days ago '04        #32
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 Emperor85 said
had no clue, got a link?
This thread below is on it. The link to the article is at the bottom of the opening post.



A Bruce Lee biographer also came out and fact checked Tarantino about the Ali comment and other things with page citations and everything in this thread.



What's also crazy is that in the movie Tarantino didn't reveal Cliff had any type of martial arts background when he defended the scene.

He simply said he was a WWII vet and that justified him being able to hand Lee his a*s in a hand to hand f*ght.


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 5 days ago '05        #33
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 psylence2k said
This thread below is on it. The link to the article is at the bottom of the opening post.



A Bruce Lee biographer also came out and fact checked Tarantino about the Ali comment and other things with page citations and everything in this thread.



What's also crazy is that in the movie Tarantino didn't reveal Cliff had any type of martial arts background when he defended the scene.

He simply said he was a WWII vet and that justified him being able to hand Lee his a*s in a hand to hand f*ght.
no offence but in a street f*ght id take a bigger guy with hand to hand combat experience over bruce, people forget bruce only weighed 120pounds

but thats fu*ked up if tarantino originally wanted bruce to lose in the scene

 5 days ago '05        #34
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people are mad at the way a character is portrayed in a fictional movie?

this isnt a biography....its entirely fiction....

what is wrong with people?

 5 days ago '16        #35
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 Boogersugar said
It's corny as fu*k to use a dead man in a disrespectful and inaccurate way as a prop to your fictional character's development

Especially when the fictional character couldn't even handle a few teenagers on his own
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 5 days ago '04        #36
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 Emperor85 said
no offence but in a street f*ght id take a bigger guy with hand to hand combat experience over bruce, people forget bruce only weighed 120pounds

but thats fu*ked up if tarantino originally wanted bruce to lose in the scene
Around 140 lbs and 5"8 is actually what I hear everywhere and alot of people say his technique had the power of his strikes way harder than normal for someone his size.

Theoretically If someone is ACTUALLY close to Bruce's skill level but bigger of course they should have a chance but that's basically another Bruce Lee. Then simply saying someone has "hand to hand" combat experience doesn't automatically put them there. There's levels to it obviously and Tarantino saying "well he was in WWII" was a joke of a explanation.

but all of that is besides the point. The point was that it was unnecessary to even think up the story that way.

Not only did he go off rumors (that he's now trying to say are fact) and made Lee look like a arrogant clown he also made him look like a sh*t martial artist. The way he actually looked and behaved in the entire f*ght scene was a joke and didn't match what we actually know about Bruce Lee. He basically took the two things Lee's legacy was built on and made it look like sh*t.

and he actually thought Bruce should lose to Cliff because Cliff was a military vet and then doubled down and said everything he portrayed about Lee was accurate even though Tarantino was like in middle school when Lee passed and the biographer came out and fact checked him.


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 5 days ago '17        #37
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Tarantino
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 5 days ago '09        #38
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If the scene took place in someone's mind then anything could happen because its a DREAM!!! Bruce Lee could have had wings and flew off in to the damn sunset!

 5 days ago '05        #39
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 psylence2k said
One of Bruce Lee's biographers is fact checking Tarantino. Giving page number citations too.

fu*k Q THE bi*ch lying to save face.

Sounded like bruce was humble.
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 5 days ago '15        #40
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I saw nothing wrong with the scene upon first watch, it's just a fictional movie that painted him unfavorably...then his daughter came out and called it a "mockery"; upon that viewpoint I also agree. If it was just the character getting the best of Bruce in a sparring match, it probably would have been okay, but Tarantino put words in Bruce Lee's mouth then justifies/defends it by saying it's the truth...the information given by Lee's biographer seems to contradict Tarantino...but who knows?


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 5 days ago '04        #41
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Quentin might have to hang it up after this one

he gonna keep doing his shock antics and get cancelled if he keep acting up

 5 days ago '12        #42
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 5 days ago '19        #43
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 ShadowPlay said


Scene is a classic. Accept it.

If Dave Chappelle did the same skit, y'all would be nut hugging it.
difference being Chappelle has talent and wouldn't rely on a gimmick

 5 days ago '04        #44
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 A~team said
fu*k Q THE bi*ch lying to save face.

Sounded like bruce was humble.
Everything I've heard through interviews and people who knew him made him sound humble.

In interviews when people tried to ask him questions to make him brag about his ability he'd always kind of turn it into a joke or downplay himself.

I think his natural confidence he carried himself with is what turned certain people off. You got to remember he was a minority in 1960's Hollywood, I wouldn't be surprised that his confidence and physical ability was intimidating to alot of people.

Let's remember, Tarantino was like 10 when Bruce Lee passed so all he could go off is hearsay.


but listen to the way, Jackie Chan describes multiple experiences with him back when Jackie was a young stuntman nobody working for him.


@2:57 to the end of the video talks about multiple incidents interacting with Bruce.


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