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Oct 9 - On this day, 52 years ago, Ernesto "Che" Guevara was murdered. Rest in power


 


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 6 days ago '19        #26
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 tdnupe3 said
True revolutionary. I wore shirts with his face on them for years before actually understanding what dude stood for. A real "for the people" leader. Not saying he was perfect by any stretch, but a real life rebel.

Whole quote is that of a poser

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 6 days ago '18        #27
BernieDaGoat  71 heat pts71 OP
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 Lazy said
Dude advocated for nuclear war

We don't solute war mongers over here, regardless of their intentions
 Lazy said
A huge part of why he was a*sassinated was due to advocation of non-Western parties to participate in nuclear proliferation and use as a deterrent

He was subsequently sold out while in South America because so many people disagreed
You do realize you just contradicted yourself.......right?
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 6 days ago '08        #28
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 Lazy said
A huge part of why he was a*sassinated was due to advocation of non-Western parties to participate in nuclear proliferation and use as a deterrent

He was subsequently sold out while in South America because so many people disagreed
Thanks for that.

But, it sounds to me like he didn't necessarily "advocate" for nuclear war, as much as he wanted his country to be able to have the same capability as the big boys.



I'll have to do a few days of researching this, but thanks for engaging.
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 6 days ago '05        #29
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 tdnupe3 said
That is DOPE!!!!!
 OldBusiness said
Thats fire as fu*k
 BernieDaGoat said
dam fire
Yeah man, there was a local guy from the area that had a bunch of different hand painted ones but this one stood out. He somehow painted it that the beard hairs are not flat but off the canvas a bit. Not sure the proper term since I'm not a painter though
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 6 days ago '08        #30
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 Gold Face said
Whole quote is that of a poser

How so?

I thought dude was the sh*t, so I wore his shirts. Come to find out, he was WAY more into the sh*t that I'm about than I initially thought.

How is that a "poser"? (welcome to 2004 btw)
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 6 days ago '12        #31
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 Frasier said
fu*k this guy. I'll sh*t, piss, puke and jizz on his gravestone. Glad he died.
You homos and your sick fetishes. You need to find god and close your legs f*g**t
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 6 days ago '08        #32
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 Fauby said
Yeah man, there was a local guy from the area that had a bunch of different hand painted ones but this one stood out. He somehow painted it that the beard hairs are not flat but off the canvas a bit. Not sure the proper term since I'm not a painter though
"Textured"

If I'm not mistaken.

But I wasn't an art major.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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 6 days ago '08        #33
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 Frasier said
fu*k this guy. I'll sh*t, piss, puke and jizz on his gravestone. Glad he died.
But, why?

And this is a serious question.
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 6 days ago '10        #34
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 tdnupe3 said
But, why?

And this is a serious question.
I was just tryin to think of the sickest sh*t i could to make some people laugh, and p*ss some people off. I'm not serious.
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 6 days ago '19        #35
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 tdnupe3 said
How so?

I thought dude was the sh*t, so I wore his shirts. Come to find out, he was WAY more into the sh*t that I'm about than I initially thought.

How is that a "poser"? (welcome to 2004 btw)
You was wearing a Che shirt with admittedly no knowledge.

Poser sh*t
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 6 days ago '08        #36
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 Gold Face said
You was wearing a Che shirt with admittedly no knowledge.

Poser sh*t
I NEVER said "no knowledge"

I said that I wore it before delving deeper.

Are you challenged? Seriously.

Of course I knew who he was, wtf are you even talking about? How would I have even obtained clothing like that in southeastern united states without knowing where to get it?

Knowing who a person is, and knowing everything about them are two completely different things.

*case in point*- I KNOW that you're a cuck, but i'm not sure if you let your girl/wife sleep with fat dudes or skinny dudes....................

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 6 days ago '08        #37
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 Frasier said
I was just tryin to think of the sickest sh*t i could to make some people laugh, and p*ss some people off. I'm not serious.
I can appreciate you admitting that.
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 6 days ago '16        #38
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Legend. Power to the people.

Half the negative sh*t out there about Che is western propaganda, at least.

If they have to tell lies on you, then you know what you were doing was actually beneficial to the people who actually need help.
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 6 days ago '10        #39
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 tdnupe3 said
I can appreciate you admitting that.
Well you asked me to be serious, and you seemed like you were being genuine. Whenever someone acts genuine towards you, they deserve that to be reciprocated.
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 6 days ago '17        #40
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 Aztlan said
Legend. Power to the people.

Half the negative sh*t out there about Che is western propaganda, at least.

If they have to tell lies on you, then you know what you were doing was actually beneficial to the people who actually need help.


These are the facts. Latin American revolutionaries are an effect, not a cause. Their detractors ignore the part of Western multinational corporations in monopolizing the resources of these developing nations BEFORE they came into power. I'm not absolving any of them of guilt, because apparently the countries were worse off than they were under American control.

1. As was the case of Cuba, the nation was isolated economically in order to crush any chance they had of success independent of the US. The people would've gotten a few extra bread crumbs had they stayed bent over in front of American imperialists.

2. The dictators were quick to stifle dissent, especially if they considered the opposition to be CIA/American operatives seeking to undermine them.



The United fruit company was bribing politicians and putting out hits in Guatemala to maintain control over the nation's produce. They even participated in the bay of pigs in Cuba:


United Fruit had dominated business and politics in Central America. It was the first truly multinational modern corporation, spreading the spirit of liberal capitalism. As well as harvesting the region’s fruit, however, the company wielded formidable influence over small nations, which were often ruled by corrupt dictatorships. United Fruit gave the world not just bananas, but also ”banana republics”.


It emerged that Black, a devout family man, had bribed the Honduran president, Oswaldo Lopez Arellano, with $1.25m to encourage him to pull out of a banana cartel which opposed United Fruit. The story was about to come out in the US press. United Fruit’s Central American plantations were also struggling with hurricane damage and a new banana disease. Facing disgrace and failure, Black took his own life. His death was shocking, not least because he had the reputation of a highly moral man. Wall Street was outraged, the company’s shares crashed and regulators seized its books to prevent ”its further violation of the law”. The company subsequently disappeared from public view and was seemingly erased from the collective mind.

United Fruit may no longer exist, but its legacy on world affairs endures. Its activities in Cuba, where it was seen as a symbol of US imperialism, were significant in the rise of Fidel Castro and the Cuban revolution of the late 1950s. Its participation in the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, in a vain attempt to overthrow Castro, led to the Cuban missile crisis.






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 6 days ago '07        #41
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I wonder how many people on here know and understand what Marxism, socialism and communism is... and actually know any history about Che other than he was a “Revolutionary”
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 6 days ago '08        #42
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my wife hates him and she’s Cuban.
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 6 days ago '18        #43
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 halftime said
my wife hates him and she’s Cuban.
Loads of people are misinformed all over the world....
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 6 days ago '07        #44
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 tdnupe3 said
Why not educate us then since you're such a historian on Cuban/South American politics?
looks like he's talking about this



Che’s fanaticism reached its peak in October 1963, when he seriously advocated a course of action that would immediately end life on earth. Che had implored the Soviet Union to place nuclear missiles on Cuba. He knew the US would interpret this as an act of aggression and probably retaliate with nuclear weapons - but he said that “the people [of Cuba] you see today tell you that even if they should disappear from the face if the earth because an atomic war is unleashed in their names... they will feel completely happy and fulfilled” knowing the revolution had inspired people for a while. Che did not say how he knew the Cuban people would be delighted to die of radiation sickness, their hair burning on their heads and their skin slopping from their faces.

The Soviet Union followed Che’s advice - and the world came closer to nuclear annihilation than at any point before or since. On the American side, maniacs like General Curtis LeMay implored Jack Kennedy to nuke Moscow immediately. On the Soviet side, Che Guevara played exactly the same role. He urged Khrushchev to launch a nuclear strike, now, against US cities. For the rest of his life, he declared that if his finger had been on the button, he would have pushed it. When Khrushchev backed down and literally saved the world, Che was furious at the “betrayal”. If Che’s recommendations had been followed, you would not be reading this newspaper now.

None of these facts are seriously disputed by historians; they are simply skidded over by Che’s Soderberg-style defenders, who stick to romantic generalities about how he stood for “honesty” and “revolution”. But Che Guevara is not a free-floating icon of rebellion. He was an actual person who supported an actual system of tyranny, one that murdered millions more actual people.

 6 days ago '05        #45
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 Frasier said
Well you asked me to be serious, and you seemed like you were being genuine. Whenever someone acts genuine towards you, they deserve that to be reciprocated.
And this right here is why I fu*k with Frasier despite our differences.

 6 days ago '05        #46
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 halftime said
my wife hates him and she’s Cuban.
When I was in Cuba I met a few people with different opinions. Some loved him and some hated him.

Some of the older guys I talked to love him because he fought against the system and wanted to free Cuba from foreign control.

Some hated him because they think what he was f*ghting for is what made America and countries turn their back on Cuba and make it go through the embargo.


It depends on the way you look at it. And by looking at how Puerto Rico is today, I think Che was f*ghting for the right side on keeping Cuba free from foreign control.
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 6 days ago '16        #47
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 halftime said
my wife hates him and she’s Cuban.
She live in the United States? Cuz if so, I'm not surprised.
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 6 days ago '16        #48
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 Fauby said
When I was in Cuba I met a few people with different opinions. Some loved him and some hated him.

Some of the older guys I talked to love him because he fought against the system and wanted to free Cuba from foreign control.

Some hated him because they think what he was f*ghting for is what made America and countries turn their back on Cuba and make it go through the embargo.


It depends on the way you look at it. And by looking at how Puerto Rico is today, I think Che was f*ghting for the right side on keeping Cuba free from foreign control.
They've been embargoed for over 50 years OUT OF SPITE

Why would you want to be ruled by a power willing to cripple your country's economy over SPITE?
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 6 days ago '17        #49
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 Aztlan said
They've been embargoed for over 50 years OUT OF SPITE

Why would you want to be ruled by a power willing to cripple your country's economy over SPITE?


Premacy' is a sickness, especially for non westerners who are infected with it...like you said, how can you prefer the side that intentionally caused your people to starve any more than the other side?

This is JFK talking admitting that American companies owned more of Cuba than Cuba did and that they were allowing Batista to slaughter Cubans simply because he was willing to play ball with them.

JFK in 1959:

Secondly, in a manner certain to antagonize the Cuban people, we used the influence of our Government to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which dominated the island's economy. At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands - almost all the cattle ranches - 90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions - 80 percent of the utilities - and practically all the oil industry - and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.

Of course our private investment did much to help Cuba. But our action too often have the impression that this country was more interested in taking money from the Cuban people than in helping them build a strong and diversified economy of their own.

The symbol of this shortsighted attitude is now on display in a Havana museum. It is a solid gold telephone presented to Batista by the American-owned Cuban telephone company. It is an expression of gratitude for the excessive telephone rate increase which the Cuban Dictator had granted at the urging of our Government. But visitors to the museum are reminded that America made no expression at all over the other events which occurred on the same day this burdensome rate increase was granted, when forty Cubans lost their lives in an a*sault on Batista's Palace.

The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty
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 6 days ago '16        #50
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 TheLastNonEarth said


Premacy' is a sickness, especially for non westerners who are infected with it...like you said, how can you prefer the side that intentionally caused your people to starve any more than the other side?

This is JFK talking admitting that American companies owned more of Cuba than Cuba did and that they were allowing Batista to slaughter Cubans simply because he was willing to play ball with them.

JFK in 1959:

Secondly, in a manner certain to antagonize the Cuban people, we used the influence of our Government to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which dominated the island's economy. At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands - almost all the cattle ranches - 90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions - 80 percent of the utilities - and practically all the oil industry - and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports.

Of course our private investment did much to help Cuba. But our action too often have the impression that this country was more interested in taking money from the Cuban people than in helping them build a strong and diversified economy of their own.

The symbol of this shortsighted attitude is now on display in a Havana museum. It is a solid gold telephone presented to Batista by the American-owned Cuban telephone company. It is an expression of gratitude for the excessive telephone rate increase which the Cuban Dictator had granted at the urging of our Government. But visitors to the museum are reminded that America made no expression at all over the other events which occurred on the same day this burdensome rate increase was granted, when forty Cubans lost their lives in an a*sault on Batista's Palace.

The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty
Devil sh*t.
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