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Jun 7 - Joe Manchin just *totally* screwed Democrats
 

 
In the space of just 1,000 words on Sunday, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin (D) effectively quashed any chance for major liberal legislation between now and the 2022 election.

In an op-ed to the Charleston Gazette-Mail, Manchin made clear that not only will he vote against the "For the People" Act, the package of election reforms being pushed by his party but also opposed any effort to end the legislative filibuster as a way to pass several of President Joe Biden's policy proposals.

Both pronouncements do considerable damage to Democrats -- not only on the policy front but also as both parties begin to prep their arguments ahead of the 2022 midterms.

Let's take a look at the "For the People" Act first.

Democrats -- on both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue -- have cast the legislation as a necessary antidote to the ongoing efforts by Republican-controlled legislatures to put more strictures on voting. "Today, in the 21st century, there is a concerted, nationwide effort to limit the rights of citizens to vote and to truly have a voice in their own government," said Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (New York) in support of the "For the People" Act last month. In introducing the bill, Schumer called it "a top priority" for the 117th Congress.

Had Manchin supported the bill -- even if he opposed changing filibuster rules to pass it -- it would have allowed Schumer (and Democrats more broadly) to make the case that Republicans had blocked legislation every Democrat supported because they don't want more people voting. Schumer was already teeing up that sort of rhetoric when he first introduced the legislation -- calling new GOP-backed election laws "one of the greatest threats to modern American democracy."

That argument just had the wind entirely taken out of it by Manchin's words on Sunday -- these in particular:

"Democrats in Congress have proposed a sweeping election reform bill called the For the People Act. This more than 800-page bill has garnered zero Republican support. Why? Are the very Republican senators who voted to impeach Trump because of actions that led to an attack on our democracy unwilling to support actions to strengthen our democracy? Are these same senators, whom many in my party applauded for their courage, now threats to the very democracy we seek to protect?

"The truth, I would argue, is that voting and election reform that is done in a partisan manner will all but ensure partisan divisions continue to deepen."

Oomph. Manchin's both-sides-are-to-blame argument hands Republicans a perfect talking point to use against Democrats. Even your own party didn't sign on because it was a "partisan" bill -- and other similar arguments.

Then there's Manchin's reassertion that under no circumstances will he vote to eliminate the legislative filibuster. Wrote Manchin:

"Some Democrats have again proposed eliminating the Senate filibuster rule in order to pass the For the People Act with only Democratic support. They've attempted to demonize the filibuster and conveniently ignore how it has been critical to protecting the rights of Democrats in the past ...

" ... Yes, this process can be frustrating and slow. It will force compromises that are not always ideal. But consider the alternative. Do we really want to live in an America where one party can dictate and demand everything and anything it wants, whenever it wants?"

Again, this pronouncement has policy and political implications.

On the policy front, it effectively means that Democrats will need to find Republican support for almost anything they want to do legislatively between now and November 2022. Which means things like the "Fair Vote Act" are dead in the water.

On the political front, it further divides the already riven Democratic base between those, like Manchin, who are focused on the need to find bipartisan solutions to America's problems and liberals who insist that the GOP has zero interest in ever signing on to any compromise legislation and, as a result, that their side needs to use any means necessary to get their policy priorities passed.

The worst part of all of this for Democrats? Manchin is effectively un-punishable. His state is overwhelmingly Republican and even the senator's biggest detractors admit that no other Democrat could hold the seat for their side.

As CNN's Manu Raju noted on Monday morning in the wake of New York Rep. Jamaal Bowman referring to Manchin as the "next Mitch McConnell" on CNN:

"Without Manchin, Mitch McConnell would be majority leader. With Manchin, Dems got a nearly $2 [trillion] Covid relief law that McConnell tried to derail."

And because of the clear conservative bent of West Virginia, Manchin not only won't pay a price for his apostasy but will likely be lauded for it, meaning there is zero political incentive for him to change his mind or even amend any of his positions.

In short: Joe Manchin is untouchable. And, as his sinking of the Democratic agenda in a single op-ed on Sunday showed, extremely powerful.





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 2 weeks ago '17        #2
Naga Sadow  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x20
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He's not hurting democrats, he's hurting American citizens. Both him and his corrupt daughter can go play hopscotch in a minefield.
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 2 weeks ago '20        #3
Xiox  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Dude is a republican parading around as a democrat using Democratic funds to get reelected & the democrats are to pussified to do anything about him .
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 2 weeks ago '20        #4
Xiox  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Naga Sadow said
He's not hurting democrats, he's hurting American citizens. Both him and his corrupt daughter can go play hopscotch in a minefield.
Is the moderate Susan Collins any different from this dude ?
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 2 weeks ago '06        #5
wario101 
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Lol i wonder where this dude was when Republicans constantly passed bills along partisan lines. Democrats are a joke.
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 2 weeks ago '11        #6
RAWshadTX 
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 Xiox said
Is the moderate Susan Collins any different from this dude ?
In essence, yes, but Susan could be pressured.

Manchin, because of the state he is in like the article said, ain’t gotta worried about being pressured.

This what happens when you got 1 n*gga bullsh*tting and you got an even amount of Dems and Republicans in the senate.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #7
Ifeellikekobe  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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There is no "just" about it. He been doing this sh*t.
People like to give this dude the lame excuse but but but he is a dem in a red state. The people voted for him with the "D" next to his name. They will understand if he votes with the democrats. Nah he would rather be overly fair to the Republicans. And his excuses are so fu*king wack. Its not just about democrats vs Republicans nah its about these old a*s complacent people. Life is good for old punk a*s Manchin. So don't do anything. Lawd forbid the democrats pass legislation after winning the election and the senate. Nah Joe Manchin donors are the same as the republicans so Nah. $15 minimum range, Medicare for all, voter rights reform. None of that gets passed. fu*k that dude
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 2 weeks ago '11        #8
PotheadFocker 
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 wario101 said
Lol i wonder where this dude was when Republicans constantly passed bills along partisan lines. Democrats are a joke.
If I ran the party dude would be mopping p*ss in the capital bathroom.

Lame duck Congress makes the Biden admin ineffective and strengthens the other side. Dems won 1 to lose 3 the way things are looking
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 2 weeks ago '10        #9
Nautilus O  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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“and then they said “Black women saved this country...again”
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 2 weeks ago '16        #10
Proveone  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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They shoulda been kicked this dude out the party. Infrastructure bill will help his state more than most other states in the party.
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 2 weeks ago '04        #11
Kadroan  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x13
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It's crazy this dude got so much power
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 2 weeks ago '07        #12
timdog  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x11
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 Nautilus O said







“and then they said “Black women saved this country...again”
What this gotta do with black women
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 2 weeks ago '18        #13
set117  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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Dems don't really wanna pass sh*t. They use everybody as an excuse to get nothing done. If it's not the Republicans, it's the senate policy monitor or whatever that bi*ch is called, if not her it's Joe Manchin. Republicans didn't even have both houses but got everything they wanted passed when Trump was in office. Biden could use executive order like Trump to get alot of sh*t done but he won't. Stop believing this 2 party bullsh*t!!! It's one party that don't fu*k with any of us. Just a gang of sociopaths serving corporate interests. fu*k America. I can't wait to leave. Im gonna sit overseas jerking my d*ck to the collapse of this society.
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 2 weeks ago '10        #14
Nautilus O  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x3
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 timdog said
What this gotta do with black women
They saved the country. Remember?

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 2 weeks ago '05        #15
P-Hill|M 
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n*ggas a herb
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 2 weeks ago '20        #16
Xiox  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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 Kadroan said
It's crazy this dude got so much power
He don't give a fuk because he knows they can't do anything to him
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 2 weeks ago '04        #17
strat 
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Hate to say it but hes right.

The for the people bill isnt a good bill the way its written. It needs to be changed, its written to deal with the problems of voter suppression from 10 years ago, and if there was a pure up and down vote it would probably only get 40 votes.

As for the fillibuster, the dems need to stop fu*king around with it. It has saved the dems more than it fu*ked them. If Harry Reid never fu*ked around with it, Trump wouldnt have 3 supreme court justices.

If there straight up and down votes alot of the progressive wish list sh*t wouldnt pass. It's not just Manchin, its Manchin, Tester, Sinema, Warner, even Kloubachar, Casey, and Bennett wouldnt be behind everything.
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 2 weeks ago '17        #18
Ymmot  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x4
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 set117 said
Dems don't really wanna pass sh*t. They use everybody as an excuse to get nothing done. If it's not the Republicans, it's the senate policy monitor or whatever that bi*ch is called, if not her it's Joe Manchin. Republicans didn't even have both houses but got everything they wanted passed when Trump was in office. Biden could use executive order like Trump to get alot of sh*t done but he won't. Stop believing this 2 party bullsh*t!!! It's one party that don't fu*k with any of us. Just a gang of sociopaths serving corporate interests. fu*k America. I can't wait to leave. Im gonna sit overseas jerking my d*ck to the collapse of this society.
Republicans got exactly one piece of legislation passed while trump was President. Trump's 4 years was probably the most unproductive 4 years in modern history as far as US government goes.
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 2 weeks ago '04        #19
GUCCI C0ND0MS 
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Dems in shambles

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 2 weeks ago '18        #20
set117  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 Ymmot said
Republicans got exactly one piece of legislation passed while trump was President. Trump's 4 years was probably the most unproductive 4 years in modern history as far as US government goes.
They got that tax cut passed though. That's all they wanted. They also were able to sell arms and back Saudi Arabia on some bills. They got that sh*t setup at the border. They got more federal judges approved than any president ever. Bruh. You weren't paying attention.
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 2 weeks ago '18        #21
set117  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x2
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 Ymmot said
Republicans got exactly one piece of legislation passed while trump was President. Trump's 4 years was probably the most unproductive 4 years in modern history as far as US government goes.
And they stacked the Supreme Court too? Unproductive? Really bro?
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 2 weeks ago '16        #22
Wolfcastle 
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Dems stay getting hoe’d

Gotta play like the Republicans do.
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 2 weeks ago '11        #23
whouthinkitis  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x1
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Manchin is in somebody's back pocket b/c he's going to a SERIOUS problem in the Democratic Senate over the next 3 yrs. The Biden Administration is going to have to find a way to tighten the screws on Manchin where he's going to have to fall in line.

Manchin is like a Republican posing as a Democrat.
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 2 weeks ago '07        #24
timdog  topics gone triple plat - Number 1 spot x11
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 Nautilus O said
They saved the country. Remember?

They said Biden too. Wheres you energy for white men saving the country
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 2 weeks ago '15        #25
RIPrjacks23 
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He is a Republican....boot him
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