cbsepts said ok...... so what does he propose? a lot of people once you get down to it...work for corporations... even if you work for a small business....they are in some way tied to big corporations.... theres no getting away from it bottomline....the hotep cat is a clown

the hotep isht is certainly humorous, but he has a point, the music is now just pop music, its a far cry from what it is, that said our own culture is being made by people that originally said it wouldnt last... is the whole lean culture, and mumble rap our doing or theirs?... are they making these things popular to destroy us


the there is no getting away is evidence of stockholm ... so you are just complacent with your own conditioning...not me. tho it may not be me, or my gen who makes the change happen, if the problem isnt recognized..of course it will never be solved, as with complacency, if anything being complacent signifies your destruction, and willingness to allow them to continue to r*pe our culture.. but hey do you

QdobaCasanova said Capitalism is a ruse, m8. The immigrants that come here, America, because they are sold on the idea of “give me your poor, tired and huddled masses”, and because of the cocacola-lization of the world. “cocacola-lization” is a term that refers to how every country either has coca cola, or wants a coca cola — because that’s what the West has dictated what they want. To your point about Asians: Asians do just fine in America because they arent fu*king black, lmao. Capitalism funds racism. It’s an economic system that predicates that someone has to “lose”, that someone has to be at the bottom; hence the bullsh*t notion that capitalism incentivizes competiton so that you always get a better product. We’re the “losers”. On the social hiearchy of America, asians are just below the reigning ethnicity of Murikkka. They aren’t viewed as a “threat”. There is no stIgma surrounding them. People think asians do everything insularly, but if you look at the minutae of how their business is conducted(through family owned businesses), you’ll realize that, at some point, they have to be approved for a loan to start their family owned business. And guess what ethnicity is disproportionally denied loans? And one more point: Capitalism has never been for us. Under capitalism, our literal bodies were considered capital. Why would you want to operate under a system so egregiously unethical that sellimg humans was iite? Like I said before: The ideals are different. Capitalism promotes an ideology of “being the best you can be”, not “do what’s best for those around you”. It’s divorced from any form of human ethics, which grants amnesty to the most inhumane business practices anyone’s ever seen.

Capitalism is a ruse, m8. The immigrants that come here, America, because they are sold on the idea of “give me your poor, tired and huddled masses”,

Nah, they’re sold on the results, not the idea. If it didn’t work, immigrants of all colors would have stopped coming here in large numbers like a hundred years ago.

Asians do just fine in America because they arent fu*king black, lmao. Capitalism funds racism.

Asians don’t do fine because “they’re not black”, they do fine uber capitalism because they place a high value of behaviors that are conducive to success in a capitalist society. In fact, America sh*tted on Asians for decades and group economics are what insulated them. Nigerians do extremely well in America as well. They have the same thing in common with every other immigrant group that does well. They place a high value on education and work ethic. I’ve never once been in an environment where one of my peers were Nigerian and they weren’t in the top of class or high achievers.

It’s an economic system that predicates that someone has to “lose”, that someone has to be at the bottom; hence the bullsh*t notion that capitalism incentivizes competiton so that you always get a better product.

That’s a talking point that gets regurgitated because it sounds good. Capitalism is not a zero sum game. What you’re describing isn’t even the fundamental premise of capitalism. Capitalism is basically an agreement for one party to pay another for providing a service or solving a problem. Inequality is inevitable in ANY system for various reasons (intelligence, abilities, work ethic), including nature. There’s plenty inequality in socialist systems as well, which is why the people in charge of dispersing the wealth (the gov) are usually 10 folds richer than the average population. Yes, the rich are able to get richer in a capitalist system that’s fine if they’re doing it ethically), but what socialist fail to mention is that the poor get richer as well. The “poor” in capitalist societies actually have a greater quality of life than the poor of any era by far. We’re so abundantly wealthy in capitalism that most of us die of disease that only come from having TOO MUCH food

In most other countries, there is no choice. You’re poor until you die whether you’re talented or not. Your chances of increasing your wealth in a capitalist system (or escaping poverty) is so possible that’s why everyone I ever taught how to increase their income (and followed the principles) were successful at it.

There is no stIgma surrounding them. People think asians do everything insularly, but if you look at the minutae of how their business is conducted(through family owned businesses), you’ll realize that, at some point, they have to be approved for a loan to start their family owned business.

The Asians used to be attached to a stigma (they’re opioid users, dumb, anti American have ties to communism) and they were still getting money.

And guess what ethnicity is disproportionally denied loans?

Loans aren’t even the end all be all to starting businesses with our immense spending power and potential for group economics. You think the citizens of Tulsa, OK (black wallstreet) had access to loans? And currently, black women are the fastest rising group in America that are entering entrepreneurship.

Capitalism has never been for us. Under capitalism, our literal bodies were considered capital. Why would you want to operate under a system so egregiously unethical that sellimg humans was iite?

That’s bad logic because millions of people have died and starved under socialism as well because they believed the needs of the state was above the individual. That’s a slippery slope. Yes, bad stuff happened (and still does) under capitalism but I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water to replace it with a system that is worst.

Like I said before: The ideals are different. Capitalism promotes an ideology of “being the best you can be”, not “do what’s best for those around you”.

And that’s why socialism will never work on a grand scale. Their ideals sound good in theory but human nature (nature in general) is more competitive than cooperative. You ever see those experiments they’ve done on various animals where they remove all challenges, inequalities (artifically), and threats from their environment and their society basically self implodes? In fact, the behaviorally changes mirror what we seee in human societies.

He Hate Me said False not everyone is under a label indy and unsigned actually artist push the culture. Thats why they "sell out" when they get brand deals and etc.

if the majority of ppl making money work for companies then YES hes right...
and if those who arent, are tryin to sign their life away...

then YES he's right...

care about awards, but never selected so hate on awards shows, but once nominated state how this is all they've ever wanted, but once they lose the award to those the awards was made for, start hating again a*s n*ggas!

Yeah he's absolutely right!

and the most evidence is, if we do not make the most money out our culture then yeah he's RIGHT.... Hov nor Diddy combined dont make more than Lucian Grange off hiphop!

Your favorites, “excluding nobody”, are glorified employees in a culture they supposedly created.

That would then make black rappers culture vultures wouldn't it?



Never the less, y'all n*ggas need to check this if you haven't:


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styxz said He's not wrong, but his rhetoric is overly confrontational and aggressive for no real reason, and the issue he speaks on isn't exclusive to hip-hop/rap/black entertainers. It would be impossible for Jay or Diddy to buy up, say, Universal (UMG) in its entirety. Not even if they combined their entire net worth...wouldn't even be close. So the next best course is to build-partner/consolidate, over and over until the profits rival Universal, Sony, etc. Vivendi (parent company of UMG) was founded in the 1853 by fuking Napoleon III. 165 years in the market. Hip-hop (all of it, not just rap) turns 40 this year. Chill.

The issue is not them having a piece of the pie but using the resources, knowledge and expertise they've accumulated to make their own pie so they won't have to go hungry or worry about the price of someone else's pie.

This was the case when hip hop started with Sugar Hill Records founded by Sylvia Robinson (a black woman).

If you own your product, you see profit and you're in control of how to manage your product.

Example:

Your album is finished.
Your capital to create 100 vinyl records is $5,000.
Producing these 100 vinyl records is $15 each including cover art and liner notes.
You have $3,500 to use for other purposes.
With 100 copies of your album on vinyl, you sell them for $25 a head and gross $2,500.
You've made a $1,000 profit (2,500 + 3,500 = 6,000; 6,000 - 5,000 = 1,000).
You still have $6,000 to put towards more vinyl if there is more demand.
Rinse and repeat. Once you crack $10,000 you can start investing your revenue in other areas to generate more income toward financing your business.

If it were easy, everyone would be doing it. You've got to hustle on your own. Problem is most artists don't have the business sense or the machine behind them to promote them. They, themselves, aren't taking the long trek to the oasis, they're paying a fee to ride someone else's horse to get there and once they get there they need to bring enough water back for everyone who's thirsty.

And once that's done the oasis could dry up, but suppose there isn't enough water for you to bring back to everyone who needs it.

The record business works the same way. If you own the horse and only ten other people are thirsty, there's enough water to go around. If you rent the horse and have to satiate a whole village you've got a problem.

Realistically, owning the horse is better than renting. You start finding other oases on your own and buying more horses, you can build an empire based on the utility of the horse and diversify, eventually building an empire that can become far removed from its original purpose.

You own that empire and determine how much everyone gets. Let's say there's still eleven of you, that's a lot of water to go around. If you want to partner and consolidate, even better, but leave enough space and allies around who are not partnered just in case your empire begins to crumble.

Apply the Art of War to business and you got it.

Bruhman fifflow said These mfs love jay z soo much they don’t care that he really doesn’t give af about his people. I’ve argued with peers and all they say is “oh but bro he raps about how he hustled and turn his money legit and blah blah blah” I don’t trust nobody in the industry they are all false idols. Mfs are lost in the sauce and are defensive towards rappers then they are their own family and loved ones who really matter. fu*k the world.

He hustled black people to make his money and took advantage of a situation for his own benefit. Jay-Z wasn't dealing outside of the black community and most likely didn't have too many customers who weren't black. Right there and there alone will let you know he'll slice his brother's throat to get on. If it was truly about hustling, he would have stayed independent.

For the situation at the time, with increasing demand he had to be a part of a machine for distribution. Starting the label wasn't the issue back then, distribution was. How do you get your product to your key/target markets?
The business game is much like the streets in the sense of you being muscled out of opportunities. If I remember right, Sam Cooke was k*lled behind wanting to start distribution. Then you have to take masters into account.

dubsax said Black made > Black owned. The pie serves more being black made than it does being black owned and made by someone else.

The pie is better served being owned by the people who make it to serve their interests. That is, the ones who own the pie are educated in how to handle it.

I own the pie I made and sell it, I see more profit. Owning my masters serves me better in the long run than just making the master. If I make the pie for the owner, I'm just a worker not a controller. If I'm a controller of what I made then I can determine the worth of my product and have negotiating power in any further business dealings.

Black made + Black owned = Black development

cuzjuan said if the majority of ppl making money work for companies then YES hes right... and if those who arent, are tryin to sign their life away... then YES he's right... care about awards, but never selected so hate on awards shows, but once nominated state how this is all they've ever wanted, but once they lose the award to those the awards was made for, start hating again a*s n*ggas! Yeah he's absolutely right! and the most evidence is, if we do not make the most money out our culture then yeah he's RIGHT.... Hov nor Diddy combined dont make more than Lucian Grange off hiphop!

You are talking salaries. I’m talking actually freedom from a boss. That’s an employee. Independent artist aren’t struggling with the rich white folks. They’re actually competing against them.

You wanna day they’re making the least money is one thing but there are people who are full control and trying to push the culture forward.

He Hate Me said You are talking salaries. I’m talking actually freedom from a boss. That’s an employee. Independent artist aren’t struggling with the rich white folks. They’re actually competing against them. You wanna day they’re making the least money is one thing but there are people who are full control and trying to push the culture forward.

theres alot of n*ggas moving like bosses, but if their financing dry up, then what?
the company car lease get cut, the mansion that they sold u, and u now pay the mortgage but oh yeah, no financing... then what?

put your song out sure, but how come ppl aint seeing it like the last time, oh your promo has no distro now, either you do it yourself or hire another company to do it for you, but again no more financing.. so that 2-5k a month might starting being a problem if you trying to tour off those songs. plus paying for your own tour... gotta put up the mansion just to tour, alright take a 2nd mortgage right?

but because u were such a boss and had to ball, your mansion is 7 figures, but with that 2nd mortgage it up to 8 figures now that u owe. oh but you a boss, so just take out a loan right? until the bank see that 8 figure debt you have you prolly not gonna get approved for anything more that 4 figures since they gonna wonder how u gonna pay all this debt on a continuous, sustainable basis. thats not even taking your life style of flossing into account.

thats just off the top, when i think of BLATENT success in hiphop (not excluding health, wealth, having loyal fans, having hit songs and all that good stuff) i think millions, you're a millionaire of rap, no? and i dont mean u generate or revenue millions, i mean ur actually worth a few million, in the public eye your deemed successful, if u happen to own 10's of millions of dollars then youre basically an elitist in this sh*t, god damn!

im kinda ranting, heading to work u get the point!

cuzjuan said theres alot of n*ggas moving like bosses, but if their financing dry up, then what? the company car lease get cut, the mansion that they sold u, and u now pay the mortgage but oh yeah, no financing... then what? put your song out sure, but how come ppl aint seeing it like the last time, oh your promo has no distro now, either you do it yourself or hire another company to do it for you, but again no more financing.. so that 2-5k a month might starting being a problem if you trying to tour off those songs. plus paying for your own tour... gotta put up the mansion just to tour, alright take a 2nd mortgage right? but because u were such a boss and had to ball, your mansion is 7 figures, but with that 2nd mortgage it up to 8 figures now that u owe. oh but you a boss, so just take out a loan right? until the bank see that 8 figure debt you have you prolly not gonna get approved for anything more that 4 figures since they gonna wonder how u gonna pay all this debt on a continuous, sustainable basis. thats not even taking your life style of flossing into account. thats just off the top, when i think of BLATENT success in hiphop (not excluding health, wealth, having loyal fans, having hit songs and all that good stuff) i think millions, you're a millionaire of rap, no? and i dont mean u generate or revenue millions, i mean ur actually worth a few million, in the public eye your deemed successful, if u happen to own 10's of millions of dollars then youre basically an elitist in this sh*t, god damn! im kinda ranting, heading to work u get the point!

You still correlating money to being a boss. I’m talking under a label the white people that supposedly run hip hop.

Killer Mike just said recently everyone not tryna be rich they just wanna be financially comfortable. Evryone not living luxury raps.

I think you still looking a rappers singed I look at people who are able to tour and do what they want for the culture and not have to tap dance to the labels. That’s literally the employee comment is expressing which is false.

Artist today have more freedom and even if they don’t they stop making music or doing in mixtape form so labels can’t make profit.

Like I said I’m just take the comment as if rapper don’t control the culture when it’s white girls out here with Yolo tattooed on them. Rick Ross is credited that.

I just don’t agree with the idea the artist aren’t the pulse of the culture. The labels aren’t even important outside marketing. They just leeches at this point.