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Yeah, I'm well versed in the "tenets" of the triangle. You're confusing a player's disposition with his role in the offense. Kobe is a shoot-first player who has been asked to play as the main distributor in the triangle.
If you knew anything about the offense, you'd know that the roles AREN'T concrete and the players are essentially interchangeable. Kobe has rarely been able to play off the ball in the triangle. Operating in the post is not playing off the ball, and most possessions he's not catching the ball off screens, he's using the screens as the ballhandler. And as for pick & roll, the Lakers have RARELY used Kobe as the roll man on the P&R and he's either used it to pass the ball or draw attention attention away from himself as the PRIMARY BALLHANDLER.
Even with Shaq, the triangle wasn't based around backdoor cuts and other off-ball actions. The Lakers were doing that minimally in 99-00 when Kobe was more of a complementary player, but for the most part since Kobe's emergence as a dominant player, the Lakers-era triangle has either been based around the high post sets (with Gasol & Kobe operating in the post) or the deep clear-out post plays with Shaq in there.
Derek Fisher was never a great PG, and he wasn't even a regular starter for the Lakers' first 3 titles. If you knew as much as you claim, you'd know that the PG in the triangle does not play the same role as the PG in many offenses today. That's why Phil Jackson coached teams have never had point guards who were ball dominant, or even cared about any of their abilities except for if they can defend and knock down shots.
Michael Jordan played with Scottie Pippen, who played the distributor role in the Bull-era triangle. Randy Brown, Steve Kerr, and how much "fear" they strike off the dribble is inconsequential when they weren't tasked with the responsibility to handle and distribute the ball. The most they were required to do was occasionally bring the ball up and pass it to either the opposite wing to get the triangle action started and make their cut to either the strong side orner corner or the weak side of the ball.. Scottie Pippen's main responsibility was to initiate the offense, not Michael Jordan. This was even more prominent in the 2nd threepeat.
Mike Brown's offense in LA isn't the same as what he was doing in Cleveland. What the fu*k are you watching? Mike Brown's offense in Cleveland was pick & roll centric with a ton of high screens because of the Cavs having big men who could shoot and the fact that they had a lot of spot-up shooters. The Lakers offense is primarily played in the post, and they haven't used many pick & rolls at all this year because of their lack of outside shooting and the fact that they can't space the floor as well.
Matter of fact, the guy who designed a large part of the Lakers' offense, Ettore Messina, was never with the Cavaliers when Mike Brown was coaching.
How about you learn what you're talking about next time and try again.
I'll just quickly address this too..
First of all, don't preface your incorrect statement by saying "if you knew anything about _________". The facilitator isn't limited by shot attempts, nor is there a rule stating whether or not he should be the guy taking the shots. Technically the guy who has the best shot takes it, whether it's the guy who initiates the offense, the guy who sets up in the post, or the guy waiting for the pass in the corner. Derek Fisher was a good fit for the triangle when he played well because he hit his jump shots. That's the extent to his value. Lamar rarely was asked to play facilitator in the offense because he couldn't handle it. Look back to the 05-06 season and the 06-07 season. Phil TRIED to make him the Pippen for the offense, but he couldn't handle it. He wasn't able to make the right decisions or the proper entry passes or the right reads as the primary ballhandler. Then when Gasol game along, Phil was able to run the offense through Pau and use Lamar as a cutter.. Then ditched the offense for the most part when Lamar was coming off the bench with the younger guys.
The team was built for the triangle on offense, yet they didn't have good floor spacing and 4 of the players operate with the intention of getting in the paint. It doesn't work and it makes the team too easy to defend.. Not to mention they weren't stopping anyone either.
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